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They have done a good job causing confusion with everyone and both sides. The country is more divided than ever, everybody at each other throats, both sides blaming each other, race vs race, nobody trust anything, everything is fake. Yes, I would say they have done a pretty good job.
That's absurd. To generate 3 million illegals votes would require a massive secret operation that goes undetected. There were 14 million votes cast in California; to say 3 million of them were illegals would require 1 out of 5 voters be illegals. Out of 20,000 precincts not one of them reported anything suspicious.
Even Trump knows this claim isn't realistic. That's why he disbanded the election fraud committee.
DHS has found massive Voter & Election Fraud, while snooping into the Russia, Russia, Russia deal.
Not only involving the run for President, but also Senate and House seats.
Given almost no advance notice, DHS officials scrambled on Wednesday night to inform stakeholders that Trump’s mandate would not interfere with efforts to help state and local election officials bolster their voting infrastructure against potential cyber attacks, according to a senior U.S. official.
The order to investigate claims of voter fraud might damage cooperation with states on cyber security, which officials see as a threat heading into the midterms in November.
Yes, they wanted to cause chaos but they also wanted to elect Trump which they accomplished. That last part makes Trump an illegitimate POTUS, plain and simple.
Where's the evidence that they wanted to elect Trump? The indictment stated that their goal was to cause chaos and divisiveness in the US. It did NOT state that those indicted actually wanted Trump to win. If you recall, during the time when these actions occurred, it was quite likely that those perpetrating them "knew" that Hillary Clinton was going to win the election anyway, regardless of what they did. Everyone else "knew" that Clinton would win, so why would they not have the same information. Given that Clinton was a "shoe in", how would you best sew divisiveness and chaos? By supporting the candidate that was going to win, and do so in a landslide, as was the belief at the time? Of course not! You try to stir up dirt on the winner and support the loser. If they stirred up dirt on Trump, and he was subsequently defeated soundly, then all that work disappears; nobody cares about that dirt anymore after the election. Trump is a nobody after he loses, so why bother to smear him? It makes more sense to smear the person who is going to be President, namely Clinton. Of course all of this backfired when Trump pulled off the shocker and actually won. If they had known then what we now know, it's quite likely that they would have done the reverse.
In any case, even if it were granted that the Russians involved in the indictment wanted Trump to win, that in no way makes Trump's victory illegitimate. Perhaps you forgot the part where Rosenstein stated that the actions outlined in the indictment had no effect on the outcome of the election? I am sure there were many foreign nationals who wanted Clinton to win, and many who wanted Trump to win. This fact would not have made Clinton an illegitimate POTUS anymore than it does so to Trump. The Russian meddling was incidental to Trump's election; Trump won fairly and not because of it.
This indictment proves one thing; Russians were meddling in our elections. Question for the liberals: why are we blaming this on Trump? The meddling started in 2014. Trump was not even a candidate at that time. The indictment makes clear that Trump was not involved at all with this meddling.
If you want to blame a President for this, why not Obama? He WAS the POTUS when this meddling occurred. Why did his administration not find out about this and either prevent it from happening in the first place or stop if from occurring? Trump had no power to stop or prevent the meddling; he was a private citizen and not even a candidate at the time it began.
I am not saying we should go back and investigate Obama or anything like that. What we should do is back Trump as a legitimate POTUS, and quit pretending that for one reason or another he's not really legitimate. You don't have to like him or agree with his policies; just recognize that he was fairly and legitimately elected. Then, we should be pressuring Trump and/or Congress to root out foreigners trying to influence our elections and prevent things like this from occurring in the future. Let's quit playing the blame game and solve some damn problems for once.
They have done a good job causing confusion with everyone and both sides. The country is more divided than ever, everybody at each other throats, both sides blaming each other, race vs race, nobody trust anything, everything is fake. Yes, I would say they have done a pretty good job.
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liberals have done a good job causing confusion with everyone and both sides. The country is more divided than ever, everybody at each other throats, both sides blaming each other, race vs race, nobody trust anything, everything is fake. Yes, I would say that liberals have done a pretty good job of trying to destroy and divide this fine country
That's absurd. To generate 3 million illegals votes would require a massive secret operation that goes undetected. There were 14 million votes cast in California; to say 3 million of them were illegals would require 1 out of 5 voters be illegals. Out of 20,000 precincts not one of them reported anything suspicious.
Even Trump knows this claim isn't realistic. That's why he disbanded the election fraud committee.
I agree. The whole idea that voting fraud tipped California to the dems is the same as saying 13 russians and some facebook posts tipped the election to Trump.
The massive amounts of money spent by both candidates dwarfed any attempts to change much of anything.
liberals have done a good job causing confusion with everyone and both sides. The country is more divided than ever, everybody at each other throats, both sides blaming each other, race vs race, nobody trust anything, everything is fake. Yes, I would say that liberals have done a pretty good job of trying to destroy and divide this fine country
Trump is the divider in chief, even in his own party. He have done absolutely nothing to bring this country together. He have brought out the worst in people, all of the hateful miserable unhappy people have come from out of hiding under his watch. Thanks for reminding me.
Where's the evidence that they wanted to elect Trump? The indictment stated that their goal was to cause chaos and divisiveness in the US. It did NOT state that those indicted actually wanted Trump to win. If you recall, during the time when these actions occurred, it was quite likely that those perpetrating them "knew" that Hillary Clinton was going to win the election anyway, regardless of what they did. Everyone else "knew" that Clinton would win, so why would they not have the same information. Given that Clinton was a "shoe in", how would you best sew divisiveness and chaos? By supporting the candidate that was going to win, and do so in a landslide, as was the belief at the time? Of course not! You try to stir up dirt on the winner and support the loser. If they stirred up dirt on Trump, and he was subsequently defeated soundly, then all that work disappears; nobody cares about that dirt anymore after the election. Trump is a nobody after he loses, so why bother to smear him? It makes more sense to smear the person who is going to be President, namely Clinton. Of course all of this backfired when Trump pulled off the shocker and actually won. If they had known then what we now know, it's quite likely that they would have done the reverse.
In any case, even if it were granted that the Russians involved in the indictment wanted Trump to win, that in no way makes Trump's victory illegitimate. Perhaps you forgot the part where Rosenstein stated that the actions outlined in the indictment had no effect on the outcome of the election? I am sure there were many foreign nationals who wanted Clinton to win, and many who wanted Trump to win. This fact would not have made Clinton an illegitimate POTUS anymore than it does so to Trump. The Russian meddling was incidental to Trump's election; Trump won fairly and not because of it.
I did read the indictment. So you figure a Russian caterer whose nickname is, Putin's Chef, decided on his own accord to spend millions of dollars of his own money to bring down US democracy, and that's it? End of story?
Again, anyone who thinks the US should stop investigating this now is simply Un-American. There is no other way to describe it.
The Russians did not expect to bring down democracy or even get Hillary to lose. Just their typical stirring the pot. It was the liberals that blew this whole thing out of proportion.
And who said stop the investigation. I believe its in its latter stages and is winding down but whatever happens happens.
Interesting story here - WaPo but easier to read here:
Back in October these Russian journalists did an expose on the russian troll farms.
Apparently most of the important figures are not even part of the indictment. It seems to have been a really sloppy attempt to look like they are doing something.
Example:
It looks like they just took some employees from the that American department whose names they could get. But the American department was like 90 people.
But generally, they seem to have got people who were not careful - who used their own email accounts or registered Twitter accounts to Russian phone numbers.
The Russians are laughing at us:
A lot of Russian conservatives were proud. They said: "Look at what Russians can do! Only 90 people with $2 million made America scared! We are strong!"
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