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Old 04-28-2018, 09:05 PM
 
Location: Live:Downtown Phoenix, AZ/Work:Greater Los Angeles, CA
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There will always be people in blue states who realize that they belong in a red state, that they would be more comfortable surrounded by folks similar to them.

They'll carry on about high taxes, expensive homes, and liberal policies and they are right. They would likely find more kindred spirits in Alabama, Georgia, and Mississippi.

So be it.

But there are also people who want to move to a place with warmer winters and since they are retired and can live anywhere, why not?

If hey can sell their home in Boston and buy a decent one for half the price in North Carolina, why not?

To think that all the Republicans are leaving high COL areas is just as foolish as believing that no Democrats are moving to the south.
Exactly, I'm a liberal Democrat, and I left New York for Phoenix for the weather, not taxes or politics
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Old 04-28-2018, 09:08 PM
 
Location: Live:Downtown Phoenix, AZ/Work:Greater Los Angeles, CA
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Texas and Florida, use to be Blue. The trend is not to go back there.
They were Democrat, but not liberal (at least not for social issues). Southern Democrats were socially conservative and were anti-union ironically
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Old 04-28-2018, 09:38 PM
 
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California has the 6th largest economy in the world!!!
Then why does it look more and more like a Third World country with a shrinking (fleeing) middle class, leaving only the very rich and the very poor? With bums sleeping and crapping on the sidewalks, harassing people for 'loose change.'
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Old 04-28-2018, 09:39 PM
 
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Dems in Texas were a big tent that ranged from progressive to moderate to conservative. The national identity of the Dem party delivered those voters into the repub party, especially after Reagan. Dem party in Texas has become too strongly tied to the progressive end of spectrum, which makes it difficult for a Dem to win statewide office since he must pass a sort of litmus test to support a pro-choice stance, pro gay rights stance, pro school funding stance, pro social programs stance, pro illegals stance etc. to win the Dem primary nomination. A modeRate can’t win the primary in supporting all of those. If he does, some of the progressives will stay home and not vote for him. When millennials take over and social wedge issues mean much less, Dems will be able to get more moderate candidates to win the statewide primaries. It’s only a matter of time.
The millennials are the reason the Democratic Party is moving left. They’re not going to moderate the party.
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Old 04-28-2018, 09:40 PM
 
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Everyone paying the same thing is not a penalty. If your federal income tax rose substantially because of this you need to direct complaints to your state legislators.
Yep!
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Old 04-28-2018, 10:00 PM
 
Location: Houston
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The millennials are the reason the Democratic Party is moving left. They’re not going to moderate the party.
Millennials will ALSO moderate with time as the shiitness of reality hits their quality of living and pocketbooks. Since the 80s, socially retarded Repubs have always clobbered the Dems by throwing wedge issues such as gay rights, gay marriage, minority rights, abortion rights while the Dem party had to defend or even be embarrassed to appeal to their more progressive social positions. This killed the National and statewide candidates in the Red states. I see a point where even Repub millennials will be somewhat socially progressive so that the old Repub tricks of division won’t work on them when they cast their ballots.
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Old 04-28-2018, 10:02 PM
 
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I'm all for everyone paying the same thing. Let's make that true for all states so we don't have blue states supplementing red states.

Red states more dependent on federal government - Business Insider

"High-tax, traditionally Democratic states (blue), subsidize low-tax, traditionally Republican states (red) — in a big way."

https://www.apnews.com/2f83c72de1bd440d92cdbc0d3b6bc08c
If you wish to produce a fair analysis of this it is such a complex calculation I'm not even sure it could be accomplished fairly. You can't use basic numbers like that for this comparison. You either need to be ignorant or a partisan hack if you think that is a fair analysis.
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Old 04-28-2018, 10:40 PM
 
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Texas and Florida, use to be Blue. The trend is not to go back there.
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Old 04-28-2018, 10:42 PM
 
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10,000 baby boomers turn 65 every single day. Many of them are retiring, and many of those retirees are moving south. Not 50 years from now, but today, tomorrow, next week, next month. In other words, it's happening right now.

If you think they magically become conservative the moment they cross the Mason-Dixon line you are simply whistling past the graveyard. Nope, those northerners are bringing their liberal/progressive beliefs with them, and they will vote accordingly.

The bluing of the South has begun. We're already seeing indications of it. You pretending it isn't happening doesn't change a thing.
Red Wall held firm in 2016.

Blue Wall cracked (Wisconsin & Michigan, plus Pa)
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Old 04-28-2018, 10:44 PM
 
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I've noticed a lot of right wing articles trying to drive the messaging that blue states are losing population due to the Trump tax plan that penalizes blue states by making their SALT non-deductible. .
Nonsense. It ends welfare, which is what excessive SALT deductions are, when they artificially lowered Federal Income tax liabilities.

I would personally prefer NO SALT deduction allowance.
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