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Some Canadians waiting 7 hours in emergency rooms without seeing doctor, 47 hour waits to be admitted.
I grew up in Cali and back in the 80's this was the hallmark of Keiser. My parents had a friend who nearly cut off one of his fingers and he was in the lobby for an hour with his hand all tied up in a rag waiting to be seen. He said there were countless other people around him with lots of serious issues as well just waiting for hours to be seen.
Back then, most people avoided Keiser and went anywhere else. Keiser was like going to the DMV back then. Interesting now though how Keiser all of a sudden has become this massive healthcare facility/institution, much in part because of how healthcare is now implemented by the U.S. Government and with the use of the IRS.
this is obviously not normal. I have dealt with many ER and have never had a wait over a few minutes. Maybe in the case where the patient isn't all that seriously ill it is different. The only problem we have seen has to do with length of time to get an appointment with a new doctor. That is because many of the popular ones are also booked up for weeks. No system is perfect, ours is still better than countries with socialzed medicine. Think what you want, but even talk to a few doctors in countries with federal health plans. You may have a different idea.
Burdel: when have you waited hours in an ER? There may be exceptions: those living in the inner city that think the place to go if you have a cold is ER, but that isn't the usual situation. We have health providers in our family. I have a good idea about how the system works.
I've talked to plenty of doctors (through my wife's work), and there is single payer healthcare here - I've never heard them say the system should change to one that isn't single payer.
I am all for Medicare, Medicaid and State-run insurance cooperatives as long as it's a small state, with Japanese diets and obesity rates and mountain athletic lifestyles.
But overall I can't imagine what will happen if states here in the United States start going single-payer like certain large states have proposed.
American's are far less healthy than Canadians. I can't imagine the waiting times here if we go to a Canadian style system.
The only way a socialized system might work here in the U.S would be if the federal government just gave a block grant based on population to the states and we lived as healthy as people in Japan and the wages were much lower in the health care profession.
What's your point?
Some US people wait a heck of a lot longer in some ERs in the US. All patients are prioritized.
Some states do not have Level 1 Trauma Centers. Patients in need require airlifting to another state.
Given the now 32 year old EMTLA legislation, US ERs are required to stabilize anyone who comes through the door, regardless of the patient's ability to pay.
Sounds like you want to exclude as many people as possible from accessing healthcare, so you don't incur a wait.
Careful what you wish for. Circumstances in your own life could result in excluding you from healthcare, one day.
There's is and has been an epidemic of rural hospital closures in America.
and do you really think socialized medicine would make that issue go away? What are you going to do when doctors refuse to work in the rural hospitals? The problem of rural hospitals will not disappear with the introduction of forced federal health care. There might be some arguments to support socialized medicine but yous certainly is not one of them.
I've talked to plenty of doctors (through my wife's work), and there is single payer healthcare here - I've never heard them say the system should change to one that isn't single payer.
Most countries with Universal Healthcare are a mixed bag, single and private insurer pay, same model as Medicare.
A few countries rely entirely on private insurance which is not age rated. The 20 year old pays the same premium as an 80 year old.
Canada's healthcare may not be perfect, but I assure you, Canadians do not envy Americans for their healthcare.
If anything, Americans are pitied throughout the developed world.
No such thing as perfect healthcare anywhere.
I have a wide circle of longtime friends who have lived all over the world due to corporate transfers. While anecdotal, all agree that their experiences with the Canadian System were superior to other countries. Where in Canada mattered as it does in any country. France and Spain also get high marks. Japan and Saudi Arabia are cited as the most different.
Like most folk in the US, they have paid into Medicare their entire working lives and are not going to walk away from accrued benefits to retire offshore.
The problem with many American hospitals is that they are often under-staffed and under-funded. How we go about fixing this is anyone's guess as the funding options can be debated on either side.
I grew up in Cali and back in the 80's this was the hallmark of Keiser. My parents had a friend who nearly cut off one of his fingers and he was in the lobby for an hour with his hand all tied up in a rag waiting to be seen. He said there were countless other people around him with lots of serious issues as well just waiting for hours to be seen.
Back then, most people avoided Keiser and went anywhere else. Keiser was like going to the DMV back then. Interesting now though how Keiser all of a sudden has become this massive healthcare facility/institution, much in part because of how healthcare is now implemented by the U.S. Government and with the use of the IRS.
Though not federally funded, to me Kaiser is or was the closest thing to socialized medicine. yes, we had it twice and couldn't wait to be able to switch to something else. And yes, we did wait for hours in ER. Maybe not 7 or so but a few.
I've talked to plenty of doctors (through my wife's work), and there is single payer healthcare here - I've never heard them say the system should change to one that isn't single payer.
could that be because they never have been part of anything else? I remember when Obama care was th subject of discussion everywhere. We watched programs discussing the issue and hearing from medical professionals from other countries, including yours I will add. Many could see why Americans were not supporting his plan. I have talked to doctors in Canada, many of them or I should say a few of them also see the problems with government run health care. So, sorry, I know there are many views on this topic and nothing works for everyone, but I just don't see the benefit of single payer.
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There might be some arguments to support socialized medicine but yous certainly is not one of them. 
