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I don't wish for exclusions of health care for anyone except for illegal aliens, dreamers and anchor babies.
So your humanity does not extend to babies and children.
I don't want to be in a world where people exhibit those kind of hostilities.
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Don't want to exclude anyone except for illegal aliens and they need legislation that would deny public health coverage for dreamers and anchor babies to save money morally.
Yes, you've said that and now you are doubling down.
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There is also a tremendous health crisis going on in America because of what collectively eats and how little it excercises.
I am all for Medicaid and Medicare. Seems like they need to either raise family health insurance premiums or drastically reduce the wages of the higher paid health care workers.
Yes, please legislate lower wages for nurses and doctors. We need some more in Canada, where we gladly pay for professionalism.
Oh wait, maybe that is why our healthcare outcomes are better than in the USA. We spent 33% as a percentage of GDP, but we live longer. That's a better outcome, all anecdotal stories aside.
It is possible to cruise for $65-75 p/p, per day and sometimes children sailing in their parent's cabin cruise for free. It's also possible to spend $1500+ p/p, per day, sometimes on the same cruise which includes cabin, food, entertainment and transportation to ports of call. Nearly 14 million US and Canadians sailed from North American ports last year.
What makes them abnormal, unworthy of opinion?
I'm not saying that they're unworthy of opinion, just that they shouldn't be the only opinions taken into consideration, especially when everyone else chiming in on this has encountered the opposite.
I am all for Medicare, Medicaid and State-run insurance cooperatives as long as it's a small state, with Japanese diets and obesity rates and mountain athletic lifestyles.
HUH UH
I went to a Japanese place and it was like 30 dollars. For raw fish. 30 dollars for raw fish. For 30 dollars, you throw that on the grill.
And if you want to climb a mountain, mazel tov, you scamper your fuzzy butt right up that thing, but with my chronic bronchitis, I'd die after 10 feet.
No need for that. You can obtain medical care in Mexico, but generally you are expected to pay for it.
The socialized medicine crowd wants it for "free."
Actually most basic healthcare in Mexico is free. And that which you do pay for is massively cheaper then in the US. At a guess you missed it when Mexico went to universal healthcare a few years back. Our healthcare is still better then Mexicos, but it is rapidly improving down south.
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Originally Posted by Minethatbird
Longest waits I've had in ERs has been because of illegal immigrants who use the ER as their personal physicians.
Odds are that was just poor people. You know those folks who cant afford healthcare in the US, but don't want to die either. Oh the horror. Im anti-illegal immigrant, but that doesn't mean they deserve the blame for all bad things.
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Yes I think our system is better but those kind of waits occur in the USA also. At least where I live.
And occur so frequently that its not even notable. Meanwhile in Canada its a big thing that needs to be fixed.
Why does everyone keep saying Canada has a socialised healthcare system. IT DOES NOT. It has universal healthcare, single payer but IT IS NOT SOCIALISED. Learn the difference.
I am all for Medicare, Medicaid and State-run insurance cooperatives as long as it's a small state, with Japanese diets and obesity rates and mountain athletic lifestyles.
But overall I can't imagine what will happen if states here in the United States start going single-payer like certain large states have proposed.
American's are far less healthy than Canadians. I can't imagine the waiting times here if we go to a Canadian style system.
The only way a socialized system might work here in the U.S would be if the federal government just gave a block grant based on population to the states and we lived as healthy as people in Japan and the wages were much lower in the health care profession.
Wow.
You obviously haven’t been in an American ER in the wintertime. Some people wait 12 hours to be seen. Some people have been known to be seen, treated, admitted and discharged from the comfort of a regular bed in the hallway of an ER.
You obviously haven’t been in an American ER in the wintertime. Some people wait 12 hours to be seen. Some people have been known to be seen, treated, admitted and discharged from the comfort of a regular bed in the hallway of an ER.
The system in Phoenix is overwhelmed by illegal aliens and their anchor babies, so I am not surprised.
West Phoenix is like the third-world and hospitals have had to close because it is a losing economic proposition to even try to remain open.
There is also a culture of very unhealthy lifestyles in much of the city with rampant drug use and the expensive overdoses and tremendous amounts of people who are doing everything they can to live as unhealthy lifestyle as possible.
Having lived in Arizona I am not surprised though. One of the biggest owners of hospitals in Arizona is based in San Francisco so I am not surprised by the low quality of service.
Arizona also has a very high percentage of residents on AHCCS (Medicaid ) and Medicare which have much lower reimbursement rates than private insurance.
Health care wages are extremely high also compared to what they were a generation or two ago.
The more they increase nurses wages, the less nurses the hospital will be to hire for the same amount of money. So that means sadly overwhelmed nurses and strained resources.
According to this the average nurse in San Francisco has a wage of $67 an hour.
Not saying that they don't deserve $67 but the hospitals either have to reduce the amount of staffing or increase family health insurance premiums to compensate for the higher than traditional wages.
We were also once a few years ago in Canada and watching a public broadcast show. They interviewed 3 couples who were wanting to start families but had been literally waiting months to even be assigned a doctor.
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Name the "public broadcast show," please. Oh, we in Canada have public broadcasters, sure; but until you can name the show and/or network, and possibly link to the episode online, I'm going to call BS on this claim.
Why? Because in Canada, nobody is "assigned" a doctor. That's not the way we do things--you choose your own doctor; if you don't like him or her, you choose another. It's a free market after all; an incompetent physician won't stay in business very long if he or she has no patients to care for.
If the couples in your example couldn't find a physician to care for them, that's their problem. Many physicians have a full patient load, and cannot take on any more. They are, however, happy to make recommendations to other local physicians who might not have a full patient load. At any rate, if the couples in your example were waiting for the government to assign them a physician, then they will be waiting a long time, because that's not the government's job. As all Canadians know.
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Why does everyone keep saying Canada has a socialised healthcare system. IT DOES NOT. It has universal healthcare, single payer but IT IS NOT SOCIALISED. Learn the difference.
Exactly. Canadian physicians and other healthcare providers do not work for and are not paid by the government (though they do submit insurance claims to the government, which pays them without question, without claims adjusters whose job it it to deny claims, getting involved.) Hospitals tend to be non-profit private corporations. Hardly socialist, in the correct definition of the word.
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