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Old 03-14-2019, 09:46 PM
 
Location: Barrington
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Many Canadians come here for health care.
Many Canadians winter in Florida and Arizona, too.

Outbound US medical tourism is greater than inbound medical tourism.Canada and Mexico have thriving medical communities near US borders.
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Old 03-14-2019, 09:47 PM
 
Location: Phoenix, AZ
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https://www.thestar.com/vancouver/20...vancouver.html

Guess, they need to either increase the taxes, decrease the wages of the health care workers at the hospitals or take on debt for general operations.

https://abcnews.go.com/Health/Wellne...ry?id=10508791

I am all for Medicare, Medicaid and State-run insurance cooperatives as long as it's a small state, with Japanese diets and obesity rates and mountain athletic lifestyles.

But overall I can't imagine what will happen if states here in the United States start going single-payer like certain large states have proposed.

American's are far less healthy than Canadians. I can't imagine the waiting times here if we go to a Canadian style system.

The only way a socialized system might work here in the U.S would be if the federal government just gave a block grant based on population to the states and we lived as healthy as people in Japan and the wages were much lower in the health care profession.
That wait isn’t unusual.

A socialized health system will only work if we open 100 medical schools and teaching hospitals to mitigate the doctor shortage.
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Old 03-14-2019, 09:49 PM
 
Location: Barrington
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In 2014 that was a whopping...52,513...for all countries. So the Canada to US number is lower then that.

FAR more US citizens look for healthcare overseas. Im seeing numbers in the hundreds of thousands.

You folks trying to make out how bad Canadas healthcare system are getting crushed here with reality. The US system is truly horrific. It is in fact indefensible.
HealthCity in Cayman is doing quite well.

https://www.healthcitycaymanislands.com/m/
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Old 03-14-2019, 10:49 PM
 
Location: Washington state
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I was thinking...ONLY seven hours? I remember when I needed to go to an emergency room for kidney stones. I waited 5 hours and that was back in the 90s. So if someone is saying Canadian healthcare is bad because they waited a whole 7 hours, hey, waiting in the ER for US healthcare is just as bad and you still have to pay thousands of dollars for the privilege.
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Old 03-15-2019, 01:12 AM
 
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Stark realization:

So many of us continue to wonder why those here in the U.S., namely right-wing conservatives and their politicians, are so stubbornly resistant to single payer or universal health care, when actually, it's really quite simple (and very chilling): It's a veiled form of slow genocide--frankly, they'd rather certain demographics just die off. It's saves a ton of money and gets rid of many "undesirables".
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Old 03-15-2019, 03:46 AM
 
Location: Alberta, Canada
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Canadians have a word for American beer, which is usually cheap. They say it tastes like .... (redacted but visualize urine) water.
No. American beer (say, American-brewed Budweiser) is just fine. There isn't a lot of difference between it and Molson Canadian. Both are like making love in a canoe, and both will get you drunk if you drink enough.
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Old 03-15-2019, 03:49 AM
 
Location: Great Britain
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Same problem in the UK with the NHS. The problem is these countries need to charge a copay to discourage people seeing the doc for the littlest ache or pain or sniffle. Waste of time.

If you want to see an entertaining Britcom about this, watch Doc Martin starring Martin Clunes. It has the ring of truth and is wonderful on every level -- writing, acting, directing. Perfection!
Doc Martin is a Family Doctor known as a General Practitioner (GP) in the UK or Primary Care in the US. Everyone in the UK has a local family doctor and local surgery.

In terms of a ache, pain or sniffle you are encouraged to go and see your local, in terms of minor injuries that require stitches you can go to a walk in centre known as an Urgent Treatment Centre.

In terms of more serious conditions you will be treated at either an Accident and Emergency Unit (A&E) which every local area has, or in very serious cases a major trauma centre. The NHS usually uses specialist ambulances or a fleet of air ambulances in such circumstances.

In 2017/18, a typical person spent anywhere from around 2 hours 24 minutes and up to 2 hours 40 minutes in A&E (this is the median duration from arrival to departure). Back in 2011 and 2012 this was closer to two hours.

The biggest factors in terms of A&E are an increasing population, an ageing population and finding social care for those who can't go home and outbreaks such as the winter flu virus.

In terms of flu, ethe young and elderly are encouraged to have flu injections at their local family doctors (General Practitioners).
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Old 03-15-2019, 04:01 AM
 
Location: Tucson/Nogales
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That story gets wide distribution and Mexico may well pay for a wall to stem the rush of Americans seeking healthcare!
I moved from Las Vegas to Tucson last year for one primary reason, a one hour drive to the Mexican border. I've already found a Dr., 9 blocks south of the Border, who will write me a script for anything I desire. I'll be damned if I'll waste my time going to a Pain Management Clinic here. And there's 6 Orthopedists I can choose to see as well, along with an Int'l Red Cross Clinic where I can see a Dr. for $5. So I don't really give a hoot which direction health care goes in this country, as long as I have "one hour" options.

With the lowering of the fertility rate to 2.0+ in Mexico, and with an aging population on the horizon, it would be in Mexico's best interests to build the wall themselves, beat Trump to it, as they're going to need all the people they can in the future.
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Old 03-15-2019, 04:14 AM
 
Location: Alberta, Canada
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I don’t use their healthcare. It sucks.
But doesn't that mean you're paying for something you cannot use? In Nova Scotia, you're paying 15% HST on pretty much everything you purchase, plus Nova Scotia fuel and sales tax on that car and the gas in that car (assuming that you are renting it), in the fuel tax for your aircraft, plus municipal taxes on your condo. So you're paying a lot in tax to the Halifax, the Nova Scotia, and the Canadian governments, and you're getting nothing in return. Or am I missing something?

As an aside, a friend had a Cessna 172. I learned how to read the "six-pack" from him, from our many flights. I do rather envy you for being able to fly. Although my friend turned the controls over to me in level flight on a few occasions, my eyes won't let me learn how to fly. Wish I could!
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Old 03-15-2019, 04:22 AM
 
Location: Unperson Everyman Land
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Sounds better than my experience with our private healthcare, 13 hours to be seen, 48 hours to be admitted.
I've been admitted to the hospital three times in the past decade.

I never waited more than half an hour to be seen and they admitted me immediately after evaluating my condition.

It's possible that someone in this country waits 13 hours to be seen in the ER, but I've never witnessed anything close to that.
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