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See, there you go Rocky......... spreading lies you have seen somewhere, and believe, because well, I read it, or saw a talking head on the telly say so. It must be true!!
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Originally Posted by Natnasci
False. This always comes up when people talk about UHC. To see my doctor takes just as long as it does in the US.
The thousands of Canadians who come to America every year to seek healthcare disagree with you. Even the American liberal media outlets are outraged at the wait times.
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There are a growing number of Canadians seeking medical treatment abroad, raiding their bank accounts and choosing to pay for treatment instead of being treated through their nationalized health care system.
The Fraser Institute released a study last year showing that wait times in Canada were on the increase and had hit an all-time high in more than two decades of the think tank conducting the survey. Patients reported waiting up to 20 weeks for “medically necessary” procedures such as organ transplants and heart surgery.
20 weeks for an organ transplant, well done universal healthcare! Sucks when you have to wait in line behind all the morbidly obese with hearth disease first.
The thousands of Canadians who come to America every year to seek healthcare disagree with you. Even the American liberal media outlets are outraged at the wait times.
20 weeks for an organ transplant, well done universal healthcare!
Keep it up....... you carry on telling yourself all in the American medical garden is rosy. Keep looking for links that back up your claims. I have no doubt you will find some.
I could place a hundred links here that make the American medical system look bad. You could do the same against the NHS and the Canadian system.
In the end, you have to separate the wheat from the chaff. What is the truth? You believe what you want, and I'll do the same. No point in giving myself a headache.......
The thousands of Canadians who come to America every year to seek healthcare disagree with you. Even the American liberal media outlets are outraged at the wait times.
20 weeks for an organ transplant, well done universal healthcare! Sucks when you have to wait in line behind all the morbidly obese with hearth disease first.
Oh please. You are espousing the propaganda, reading numbers and not thinking it through. I'm assuming you read the link. Now do the math.
The very CONSERVATIVE " think tank " the Fraser Institute, did a study that said approximately 52,000 Canadians get medical care outside of Canada each year.
That's 52,000 out of a population of 36,000,000.
In that number of 52,000 some are treated in the US. They actually don't know how many since the study only counted people getting care outside of Canada. So, if I'm on a trip in Germany, break my arm, get care, I would be part of that number.
Also part of that number are Canadian snowbirds, and Canadian tourists who get emergency care while on holiday.
The number of Canadians seeking care on the US by choice, is very small.
Why would someone pay thousands out of pocket, for something they can get at no extra cost at home?
Only the very rich, who might not want to wait a few weeks for an elective surgery do this.
But hey. You know what. I am only here to clarify and correct misconceptions about UHC and specifically UHC in Canada.
I don't care what system you have, what system you OBVIOUSLY seem upset about. It yours. Enjoy the stress and the costs.
Honestly, why doesn't the govt just give everyone health benefits?
Because we cannot agree on which benefits and how to pay for them.
There is not enough money in the country to pay for all the medical care that Americans want, and any attempt to limit benefits runs into the "R" word: rationing - and accusations of "throwing grandma under the bus."
With all the money we now pay to insurance companies, not for actual health care, but for lots of folks to get rich, wouldn't you like that to go straight into healthcare? And you feel that there will be "tons of corruption" with single payer, but what about the "tons of corruption" taking place in the wheeling and dealing insurance companies? There are problems with any system, and it is ridiculous to assume that our current system is efficient and corruption free.
The healthcare management companies also take a huge bite out of the available resources. All the money that goes into the pockets of their shareholders, could be added to what was no longer going to insurance companies. With our country's size and economy, it's shameful that we don't have universal healthcare. We would be more capable of making it work, than any other nation. It would be a cornerstone of truly making this country greater than ever.
The parasites in the health insurance and management industry, are the major barrier to it, along with conservatives who are stingy, as a matter of principle. In fact, with universal healthcare, they and everyone else in the United States, would be more prosperous. After we discovered how capable we were in making it work, our next achievement could be universal higher education and technical training.
Yes, it is difficult talking with people who have grown up thinking in a certain way. They seize on certain news stories, and shout 'see...... it doesn't work. We're better off as we are......'
Even Vice-President Pence mouthed off about something in the news a while back. I watched him, and thought "you should be ashamed of yourself." Just another mouthpiece for the insurance companies.
But, I think change is coming. Real slow, but things are getting so bad, and citizens so angry at things as they stand. It must seem such a massive task, that it's easier to leave things as they are I guess.
Politicians need to get behind this issue, and talk honestly about it. Maybe they're just too frightened some folks will screech, 'we don't want us no socialist medicine!!!!' If they do, then the politicians have no one to blame but themselves.
After all, they're the ones who have been frightening the people forever. If it's not the commies, it's socialist medicine........
A few years ago when Americans were discussing healthcare because of the then upcoming Affordable Care Act, Canada was portrayed as some socialist backwater where death panels decided who lived or died, and people were dying in waiting rooms.
An official statement from the government of Canada requested the US discussion not tell blatant lies about the Canadian system. This video shows you how even a senator, a smug one, has no clue what he is talking about.
Because we cannot agree on which benefits and how to pay for them.
There is not enough money in the country to pay for all the medical care that Americans want, and any attempt to limit benefits runs into the "R" word: rationing - and accusations of "throwing grandma under the bus."
Actually studies show it's cheaper to run a UHC than your current system. It's not that the money isn't available, it's how the money is misspent in your system.
Actually studies show it's cheaper to run a UHC than your current system. It's not that the money isn't available, it's how the money is misspent in your system.
I agree. Americans still cannot decide on what benefits to provide and how to finance them. They want coverage for every office visit and every medication. Heaven forbid that someone treat the common cold with rest, pushing fluids, and OTC meds for symptoms.
I can’t get behind paying higher taxes to take care of those who don’t deserve it. If people smoke and drink and don’t pay taxes or get welfare, I’m anti all those programs. I pay a crap ton and I’m single and I know females and married couples who reap benefits.
Call me selfish, but I will vote against nationalized healthcare every time. I don’t want to pay for everyone else.
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