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Originally Posted by dman72
People might actually listen to your arguments if you didn't immediately call them racists when nothing in the body of what the person you are quoting said even remotely resembles that claim.
Bringing in high level scientists helps the country and causes brain drain in home countries.
Bringing in low level IT workers and nurses only suppresses wages and limits job opportunities for citizens. Bringing in uneducated manual labor brings down wages and limits job opportunities for citizens as well.
Most of the immigrants are used to increase profits for those who already possess most of the wealth. It is then shrouded in feel good liberal sentiment with a healthy dose of "American's deserve it because their country was/is bad" on the far left, and a "shut up and deal with the new feudalism" from certain segments of the right and "libertarians".
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I speak with logic....which is difficult for many to understand.
I didn't call anyone racist, I was talking about the post. If you didn't see it, then you are acting with bias.
Every person(including me) is a racist whether he/she believes it or not.
Understanding this bias would lead to logical conclusions.
You are looking at the effect rather than the cause.
Firstly, the wage levels would have been lowered whether or not we bring in workers from outside or not.
I have explained it multiple times in this thread.
The
salary you get depends less on skill and more on supply and demand...Economics 101
There was very limited supply of IT workers in the beginning and hence the salary levels were very high.
If we go back to the previous revolution which was the Industrial revolution, factory workers were paid very good salaries in the beginning.
Even though we didn't import factory workers, why did the salaries fall? Also, where did all the jobs go??
Did it happen because we brought in lot of Chinese workers to United States? Nope
Did manufacturing stop? Nope
Think about it......
Same thing with IT, there are lots of software engineers in developing country.
And the cost of shipping software is even lower than the cost of shipping goods.
Naturally, the wage levels would go down.
You can't ask 200K if there are people ready to do the same thing for 20K.
If you didn't get this point, stop reading and ignore me.
If you got it, the next step to remain competitive is reduce the cost of becoming a software engineer and immigration.
So
1) College Reform
2) Bring in people from outside
This way our people would be more competitive without college debt hanging over their head and more people would enter IT. And other countries won't be able to compete.
1) College reform is happening very very slowly. Noone talks about it here....which is very very sad.
This shows how many here are able to think outside of the box.
The cost of undergrad for IT(barring the top 10 colleges), should be less then 1000$ and should be done in 2 years.....so 500$ per year. Since we don't need traditional college infrastructure....all you need is youtube and then an exam center to write exams or demonstrate their project.
2) When people immigrate, they are usually risk takers and would be an advantage to America.
But here since their Green card process is in limbo, lot of H1s aren't able to demand higher salaries or setup companies. This is a severe drag on US economy. If you give them GC after their prime energetic years, its a terrible loss to the country.
It drives wages further down. This is why we need immigration reform.
Every reform would have people crying foul even though it is good for the country.
Instead of people helping each other, they are fighting amongst themselves like fools and companies are benefiting from it.
This is where people like you and BigDGeek come in and say that immigrants are lowering wages without knowing the entire story.
Fyi, if you are willing to put in some effort, you can still get more than 250k easy.....check out teamblind.com.
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