Mueller May Have Information on Trump's Tax Returns (compared, ratings, elections)

[TheMoreYouKnow]

Originally Posted by i_love_autumn

What happened to 4-years of Whitewater investigation?

Well I'm sorta young to remember WW but since you asked about something that happened 25+ years ago...

Convictions
The Clintons were never charged with any crime. Fifteen other persons were convicted of more than 40 crimes, including Jim Guy Tucker, who was removed from office.

Jim Guy Tucker: Governor of Arkansas at the time, removed from office (fraud, 3 counts)
John Haley: attorney for Jim Guy Tucker (tax evasion)
William J. Marks, Sr.: Jim Guy Tucker's business partner (conspiracy)
Stephen Smith: former Governor Clinton aide (conspiracy to misapply funds). Bill Clinton pardoned.
Webster Hubbell: Clinton political supporter; U.S. Associate Attorney General; Rose Law Firm partner (embezzlement, fraud)
Jim McDougal: banker, Clinton political supporter: (18 felonies, varied)
Susan McDougal: Clinton political supporter (multiple frauds). Bill Clinton pardoned.
David Hale: banker, self-proclaimed Clinton political supporter: (conspiracy, fraud)
Neal Ainley: Perry County Bank president (embezzled bank funds for Clinton campaign)
Chris Wade: Whitewater real estate broker (multiple loan fraud). Bill Clinton pardoned.
Larry Kuca: Madison real estate agent (multiple loan fraud)
Robert W. Palmer: Madison appraiser (conspiracy). Bill Clinton pardoned.
John Latham: Madison Bank CEO (bank fraud)
Eugene Fitzhugh: Whitewater defendant (multiple bribery)
Charles Matthews: Whitewater defendant (bribery)

So we've got a long way to go to match the number of convictions AND even with all that proof the Clintons were never charged. I hope you aren't using this as your dream plan to get Trump because in the end it failed to remove a President.

[Boss]

Originally Posted by RMESMH

All of that may be true, but Kitty is correct, the vote is the vetting.

Trump meets all of the requirements for a President that are outlined in the Constitution:

1. He's a Natural Born Citizen.

2. He's at least 35 years old

3. He has lived in the U.S. for 14 years.

Nope he hid a lot of bad stuff about himself. He had a media outlet buying off information on Trumps expenses.

The media did a bad job of not digging deeper into his past and his trail of bad loans and money laundered properties.

The vetting comes before the vote. That allows people all the information to determine if the candidate belongs in the office.



All this stuff coming out now shows the wrong person won.

[Boss]

Originally Posted by Boss

The collusion stuff is coming out every time another crony of Trump's comes to court. A lot of people do not look past the headlines just like Trump.


Manafort paid by Russia through Ukraine and a Bank in Cyprus. Wilber Ross was a director of the Bank.


Popadopolas had meeting's with Russian operative and did not inform the FBI. That's why he is being given a harder sentence.

Cohan was trying to get Trump Tower Moscow done.

Don Jr., Manafort and others had their meeting with Russian operatives in Trump Tower. DJT wrote the excuse on AF1 showing he knew it was a crime.

All with DJT knowledge.

Collusion all known by DJT

[WaldoKitty]

Originally Posted by Boss

All this stuff coming out now shows the wrong person won.

Except of course, nothing has come out.

[Boss]

Sure it has.

Manafort was found guilty. Just check out the 8 counts he was found guilty of.

Popadopolas is upset because he continued to lie to the FBI about his meeting with a Russian operative.

Cohan and his tapes will be the big nail. Right now Trump is an unindicted co-conspirator in election finance fraud.

A lot has come out. Every time Mueller or SDNY indicts someone you can see the collusion happening.

The Trump writing of the statement on the Trump Tower meeting is classic. He knew his son screwed the pooch and he tried to correct it. Good Dad for trying. Bad President for allowing it to happen during the campaign.

[Donna-501]

Originally Posted by bpollen

The investigation into the Russia interference and its possible connections with the Trump team...is a REPUBLICAN investigation on behalf of the country. It was a Russia investigation...but it came to involve the Trump team because it captured the Trump team communications with the Russian agents. That's how Trump team became involved in the first place. There are at least 87 communications between Trump's team and the Russian agents during Trump's campaign...and we know about one meeting for certain between Trump Jr., Kushner, & Manafort, and a Russian agent, in Trump Tower.

Trump became the focus of part of the investigation because of obstruction of justice when he tried to kill the investigation by firing Comey.

The Mueller investigation was charged with those investigations, but also was given authority to turn over to proper authorities any other crimes it ran across. Mueller referred to Va. and New York white collar crime evidence on Manafort and Cohen.

Tax returns can be related. That's how you would follow the money possibly given by or to Russian agents, through a complex system of multiple shell corporations, if there is evidence of wrongdoing by Trump related to money crimes. There is evidence of such crimes at least regarding the campaign finance violations, and lies regarding that.

In any case, there is civil litigation by New York AG and taxing authorities into the Trump Organization's charity, which seems to have been a slush fund that may not have actually been operated as a charity. That's where a $50k payment came from that may have been used for paying Russian agents, and a lawsuit settlement by Trump came out of that charity. I'd expect the NY AG to get the Trump Organization's tax returns, and maybe Trump's personal returns, as well. The Trump Organization's Accountant, who has handled its affairs for decades, dating back to when Trump's father ran the organizations, has been granted immunity for testifying.

The Dems may be happy about rooting out the crimes of the President and his team, but the investigations are being done by and on behalf of the United States, and mainly run by ethical govt servants who happen to be Republican. Hard to believe, but most civil servants at high levels disregard their political leanings, and just do their jobs. They are loyal to the country and the Constitution. Not to a person, much to Trump's displeasure. Remember that he asked Comey to pledge his personal loyalty to him (which Comey did not do...that wasn't the job of the FBI Director...his oath of office was to the country), and he expects the AG to be his personal servant (which is not the job of the AG).

Well said!

[Donna-501]

Originally Posted by RMESMH

That's Junior Mint to Kimberly.

[bpollen]

Originally Posted by berdee

So, mueller is leaking , again? (the guy leaks like a sieve. lefties are so amusing when they ignorantly claim he doesn't leak)

Oh wait, this thread is based on nothing but speculation

So, the op is passing fiction off for fact, again?

The majority of presidential candidates, and presidents, never released their full tax returns. Instead they simply released a tax overview sheet. The left would have a screaming fit if trump released only an overview sheet, like the others had. That would be funny.


Nothing in the Constitution about providing tax returns. 'Other presidents had released theirs' is not a valid argument.

No...there are documents and there is testimony, now.

No, Mueller's team doesn't leak. We know things because of the detailed indictments (over 30...and counting). The indictments detail specifics. It will take a while, but you can locate them online and read them. Each indictment is pretty long, listing a number of offenses. There are numerous alleged facts in those indictments, each of which is backed up by evidence (hence, the indictments found by Grand Juries).

Mueller's team has not leaked even once, that anyone can determine. They're pretty busy, and are high level professionals working steadily toward a goal...finding the truth about the Russian interference in our election system, and the obstruction of justice by Trump, and other possible crimes by anyone involved.

Many leaks come from the White House, we've all noticed. Now we have actual tapes recorded surreptitiously in the White House. Real devoted team in the White House.

All but one major-party nominees for President since the 1970s have released their tax returns. The only one who didn't was Gerald Ford, but he released a summary of the returns, instead. He lost the election. Trump, by contrast, released nothing. And fake-turned-over his organization to his kids (who we know are idiots and can't run an organization like that)...but Trump knows all about the organizations interests, anyway, and what he needs to do to cash in on things for his org. to make big bucks. And let's be realistic, that family is dishonest, as any mob family is, and there is no way that the kids didn't report to Trump on the activities of the Trump Org.

Hillary Clinton released 15 years of tax returns. Bob Dole released 30 years of tax returns. Romney released only two. Ronald Reagan released only one. Trump released none.

The Trump team is the most corrupt administration that America has ever had. The pathological lying coming from the W.H. is a violation of his oath of office, IMO. Who would believe him if he said we had to go to war? He lies about anything and everything, even if it doesn't matter. He is the embodiment of "swamp land," yet he yells "drain the swamp!" and his supporters act like he means it, when they must know that HE is the swamp, surrounded by the swampiest agents. The wealthiest cabinet in history...most of them billiionaires, and more than one a Goldman Sachs rep. He has spent his life screwing ordinary people...refusing to pay invoices for no reason than "I think I've paid enough," refusing to pay wages, hiring illegal immigrants instead of American workers, buying his steel from China instead of America, draft dodging while giving lip service to the military and propping up a war that others are getting killed in, talking tough while never having been in a fight or shot a gun...he is the ultimate privileged son. The bravest he's ever been is yelling at his nannies when he was a kid in short pants.

[Clarallel]

I'm waiting, I'm waiting!

I've heard that Mueller does indeed have the right/power to obtain them.

Originally Posted by berdee

So, mueller is leaking , again? (the guy leaks like a sieve. lefties are so amusing when they ignorantly claim he doesn't leak)

Oh wait, this thread is based on nothing but speculation

So, the op is passing fiction off for fact, again?

The majority of presidential candidates, and presidents, never released their full tax returns. Instead they simply released a tax overview sheet. The left would have a screaming fit if trump released only an overview sheet, like the others had. That would be funny. Nothing in the Constitution about providing tax returns. 'Other presidents had released theirs' is not a valid argument.

Oh, "nothing but speculation"? Do you raise the same objections when Trump and his supporters scream about locking up Hillary for supposed crimes?

But you seem to be missing the point. The majority of presidents, beginning with Nixon, did indeed release their returns. It's not in the Constitution, but it's become a tradition. Just like there's no requirement in the Constitution that the president not be a flagrant compulsive liar.

[i_love_autumn]

Originally Posted by CALGUY

Over ten billion in wealth, and you call that "failed businessman"?
Wow, you set the bar pretty high.

Bob.

Oh BS, he has nowhere near that amount of $ and over 25 business failures! He is sewer sludge compared to true successful businessmen!