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So if a woman is drunk to the point she blacks out and so does the guy and she wakes up to find she's had sex but remembers nothing and reports it as a rape, that's only the mans fault?
What about if she's so drunk that she's sitting on someones lap and grinding and then things are taken to the next step only she was really drunk and regrets it the next day. Is that only the man's fault?
Because you should hear what happens on college campuses all across the country if you think these situations are rare.
So would I, but it appears we're in the minority. Some just want a carte blanche policy that no matter what predicates sex, if the woman decides the next day she didn't consent, or doesn't remember anything, then it's rape.
That is also wrong and I would never support that in a million years. I don't know who these "some" are but they are just as bad as men who assault women.
Where does this walking in a ghetto street alone at night in skimpy clothing thing even come from? Who does that? How and why?
I was using it as an example to make my point. We all know that some things are safer than others. And it is your responsibility to protect yourself.
So wear your seatbelt and lock your doors.
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No, it won't increase the odds, that's not how individual odds work. A woman could stay in her house 24/7 with her husband and STILL BE RAPED BY HER HUSBAND.
Stop with this all-or-nothing fallacy crap. I never claimed it would stop all rapes.
All I have said is, since a lot of rapes are the result of things like girls getting too drunk to give adequate consent. Then if they had not gotten too drunk, they likely wouldn't have gotten raped.
And the same thing can be applied to men as well. Some men simply should not drink. And many acts of violence, sexual or otherwise, would never have occurred had it not been for alcohol.
What I was trying to do was show that, there isn't a set amount of rape, or a set amount of rapists. It isn't like if a rapist can't find a scantily-dressed girl in a bar, he will start roaming the neighborhoods, breaking into houses looking for women to rape.
Rape is mostly a crime of opportunity and a crime of passion. A crime of passion means an impulsive crime. Usually the result of a strong but temporarily feeling(usually anger, but can be caused by various other sources), which you often feel ashamed of later.
Why do we have 100 threads on this and not any on how we need to be changing men's behaviors? How to raise sons not to rape instead of women to not life live for fear of being raped?
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There seems to be a lot of controversy around this issue. Although there is little debate that women are not responsible for sexual assaults, do they have a duty to protect themselves? If so, how? Avoiding being alone? Not drinking to excess, avoiding skimpy clothing, what? Many individuals of both genders have expressed this opinion. And if she doesn't protect herself in whatever way is deemed necessary or fitting, is the perpetrator less at fault if an assault happens?
Personal responsibility sounds great in theory but in practice it is one-sided. This question's framing shifts the burden onto the victim and implicitly away from the perpetrator. How about instead the perpetrators take responsibility for the hurt and harm he or she causes others? Ditto for mainstream cultural attitudes. Disdaining victims (sex crimes or not) more than the perpetrator reduces motivation for others to think twice before initiating hurt, harm, and even degradation against others.
At any rate, it still penalizes those unable to resist the perpetrator. Some people are just better at physical confrontations than others. Under this logic, maybe we should replace school PE in grades 7-12 with hand-to-hand combat training up to military standards. Anybody here think THAT is a good idea?
Stop. Even if taking precautions to not overdrink saves only 10 women from having to be assaulted in some way, that's worth it and makes it a valid point.
In addition, women aren't just assaulted, far worse can happen to them.
I was using it as an example to make my point. We all know that some things are safer than others. And it is your responsibility to protect yourself.
So wear your seatbelt and lock your doors.
Stop with this all-or-nothing fallacy crap. I never claimed it would stop all rapes.
All I have said is, since a lot of rapes are the result of things like girls getting too drunk to give adequate consent. Then if they had not gotten too drunk, they likely wouldn't have gotten raped.
And the same thing can be applied to men as well. Some men simply should not drink. And many acts of violence, sexual or otherwise, would never have occurred had it not been for alcohol.
What I was trying to do was show that, there isn't a set amount of rape, or a set amount of rapists. It isn't like if a rapist can't find a scantily-dressed girl in a bar, he will start roaming the neighborhoods, breaking into houses looking for women to rape.
Rape is mostly a crime of opportunity and a crime of passion. A crime of passion means an impulsive crime. Usually the result of a strong but temporarily feeling(usually anger, but can be caused by various other sources), which you often feel ashamed of later.
So the entire world, including school, work, etc. is the same as a forest with Bears? If that is the case, do something about the bears. Because women need access to the world.
That is entitlement mentality and a privileged perspective. Wake up.
My Mother taught me every day you walk out the door there is a possibility you will not come back alive - I don't know what yours taught you but that is the stance I operate on and I don't expect a soft cuddly world where I am protected from lunatics and psychotics. I suppose some of you live in small towns well I live in the city and put my big boy pants on and expect no one to come to my rescue.
But keep thinking society at large and random strangers are obligated to protect anybody. The reality is the only allegiance is with your own tribe (family and friends).
Stop. Even if taking precautions to not overdrink saves only 10 women from having to be assaulted in some way, that's worth it and makes it a valid point.
In addition, women aren't just assaulted, far worse can happen to them.
It's not "Does a Woman Have a Duty to Protect Herself From Sexual Assault in the Majority of Cases?"
The title is very broad. It doesn't say do we have a duty not to get blackout drunk at parties, it asks do we in general have the duty to protect ourselves from sexual assault and we are telling you no, we can't. There can be no duty placed on us that we can't achieve.
That is entitlement mentality and a privileged perspective. Wake up.
My Mother taught me every day you walk out the door there is a possibility you will not come back alive - I don't know what yours taught you but that is the stance I operate on and I don't expect a soft cuddly world where I am protected from lunatics and psychotics. I suppose some of you live in small towns well I live in the city and put my big boy pants on and expect no one to come to my rescue.
But keep thinking society at large and random strangers are obligated to protect anybody. The reality is the only allegiance is with your own tribe (family and friends).
Yes, I am entitled to go out in the world and do normal things, indeed.
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