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I see humans for what they are, flawed creatures capable of evil. All of them, even you.
Locker-room talk is 90% big-fish story anyway. And he didn't say he raped anyone. It could have been sexual assault if it was unwanted(if it happened at all), but who is it that he was grabbing like that? No one has came forward from what I know. So if I was to guess, it never even happened. And Billy Bush didn't believe it happened either.
Telling men they will be punished for raping how about that? Even better, how about showing men that if they rape they will be punished? Because right now men are shown everyday that in all likelihood they will get away or at worst get a slap on the wrist.
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Originally Posted by FinsterRufus
Actually I don't think that's always the case. There are plenty of men who still think that in a situation where a woman is obviously sexual, that they have some kind tacit permission to take what they want.
There are thousands of men in prison right now for rape, and that has always been the case. Men HATE rape.
The punishment for rape has become less severe in recent history. In the old days, rape would often lead to the death penalty, if not castration.
The failure of women to understand just how men feel about rape, is from their seeming incapacity to understand that men care about them. Men care about their daughters, their wives, their mothers, their sisters, their aunts, their grandmothers, etc.
The notion that men would be indifferent about rape, is to believe that men would be indifferent about their wives, mothers, and daughters being raped. That if their wife got raped tomorrow, whatever, give the guy a slap on the wrist and a beer.
No, men would be furious, if not downright homicidal. My sister was raped, and after it happened, me and my brother-in-law went looking for him, and he was lucky the cops got to him first.
He is rotting in prison right now, and he will be there till he is almost 60.
Independent but in the buddy system? Do you maybe not know what the word independent means?
Sure do. Sorry you dont have buddies or you would know that you can have buddies and be independent.
So an independent person doesn't need to call the police? We dont need police in society? hmmm we would save a ton of money but the criminals would romp through the utopians.
Im independent and have lots of buddies. I never go drinking in strange bars and we always assign a duty driver. Independent people can't do that? OHHHHHH we just drink and drive? Oh wait no that usually ends poorly.
So my daughter taking a buddy with her to a place she has never been to a party with people she doesn't know, makes her weak?
I thin k that makes her smart. Because guess what, there are always the few people in the world who just dont have any respect for anyone else. My daughters are both 4th degree black belts. I am a 2nd degree black. I wouldn't want them to go toe to toe with a 250 pound monster because I wouldn't if I had a choice.
That drunken monster doesn't care.
But hey in Utopia land there aren't any drunken monsters or bad people because someone went around telling them not to rape girls and now they dont do it.
At least three of you sound like you don't care about facts, and the fact is:
Someone with ill intentions + woman in a vulnerable situation = something bad is likely to happen.
I'm all in favor of women not putting themselves in vulnerable situations if it means they can avoid bad things from happening.
You find that offensive, insisting that it has nothing to do with a woman being in a vulnerable situation and everything to do with someone with ill intentions.
You don't care if women avoid something untoward happening - you just want to be sure that women not be burdened with doing as much as they can to keep themselves safe.
I don't drive without insurance, I don't drive through rough neighborhoods, I don't leave valuables in my car, and I wouldn't leave my wallet out on my porch.
There are certain things people with common sense do and don't do, and I can't argue with people who have no common sense about this.
And what you can't seem to understand is that women are always vulnerable. That's what I'm trying to get across to you.
You don't have to be in what you would deem a vulnerable situation to be assaulted. It isn't even more likely that you'll be assaulted if you are in one of those situations. It's not like a wallet on a porch. Women can and do get assaulted whether it's a rough neighborhood, they're not insured, or whether they USE COMMON SENSE or not.
The things that happened to me didn't happen because I lack common sense. You need to understand that. That's the case for the majority of assaults. That's why the emphasis has got to be on the perpetrator, not the victim.
In that case, it matters not what someone is wearing, whether they're drunk, whether they're promiscuous, whether they stood in Times Square in lingerie and high heels, it matters not.
What does matter is that we instill good values into the kids we raise, and teach them to treat each other with respect. And put the responsibility on people that assault where it belongs, onto them, and not onto the person they assault.
Instilling good values is important, but it won't stop all crime. Nothing can stop all crime. Crime is just a fact of life. It is a human universal. It exists everywhere, and for all time.
That doesn't mean you can't lessen it. But in order to do that, you have to look it squarely in the face.
Is rape the result of people not knowing rape is wrong? Of course not.
If education was the problem, it would easy to fix. In fact, if education was the problem, it would have been fixed a long time ago.
Some of the most-educated places, and some of the most-liberal places, have some of the highest rates of sexual violence.
Your refusal to understand the problem makes you incapable of fixing anything. So regardless of your good intentions, you are only making things worse.
I don't propose anyone hang out with scumbags for any reason. Is that really the bar we're setting here? How many women go to frat parties where they're required to wear g strings and bikini bottoms? Sheesh. The subject of the thread is Do Women Have a Duty To Protect themselves, not are We Completely Stupid About Hanging Out With Obvious Douchebags.
And yes, even if they do, they aren't responsible for being assaulted. Neither are hookers or porn stars.
You'd be surprised how many go for the "obvious douchebags" then complain about them later as if they were going to change
Here's the easy solution: Shut down all Frats and Sororities. Period. No on-campus parties allowed.
There are thousands of men in prison right now for rape, and that has always been the case. Men HATE rape.
The punishment for rape has become less severe in recent history. In the old days, rape would often lead to the death penalty, if not castration.
The failure of women to understand just how men feel about rape, is from their seeming incapacity to understand that men care about them. Men care about their daughters, their wives, their mothers, their sisters, their aunts, their grandmothers, etc.
The notion that men would be indifferent about rape, is to believe that men would be indifferent about their wives, mothers, and daughters being raped. That if their wife got raped tomorrow, whatever, give the guy a slap on the wrist and a beer.
No, men would be furious, if not downright homicidal. My sister was raped, and after it happened, me and my brother-in-law went looking for him, and he was lucky the cops got to him first.
He is rotting in prison right now, and he will be there till he is almost 60.
So I don't want to hear your self-righteous crap.
Yet some of those same men you speak of will force unwanted and uninvited sexual advances and sexual assault and rape on women who are not their sisters, mothers, daughters and so on. Some men do not view women who are not their family members as having much value beyond sexual objects meant for their pleasure.
Yet some of those same men you speak of will force unwanted and uninvited sexual advances and sexual assault and rape on women who are not their sisters, mothers, daughters and so on. Some men do not view women who are not their family members as having much value beyond sexual objects meant for their pleasure.
I actually agree with you here. But that is a very complicated topic.
The root of the problem is that we don't really see the other person as a human-being. At least not in the same way we see ourselves and the people we care about.
When you live in New York City, there are so many people that they just kind of blend together. They are both people and objects at the same time. And since you will probably never see any of them ever again, why does it matter how you treat them? They don't matter to you at all.
It is similar to how a large corporation only sees you as a number, a statistic, but not really a person. You are just a cog in a machine, to be used so long as you are beneficial, and then discarded.
I believe it is the highly-impersonal nature of modern society which is mostly to blame for the crime and other evils we see around us. Community is all but dead, family is dying, and connections with real people are weakening. All that is left is meaningless and temporary interactions, usually based on the pursuit of personal benefit or pleasure.
Just as the critics of capitalism have said, everyone is a commodity, an object, not a person.
Women say they want love. That they are the champions of love. But there is less love now than there has ever been. They have replaced love with lust, hedonism, superficiality, and pettiness. And men are just as much to blame.
Nothing but selfishness everywhere. And the most-selfish of all, pretend to be better than everyone else.
I don't have any skin in this game. I could really care less what you people do to this stupid world.
Last edited by Redshadowz; 10-05-2018 at 09:38 PM..
I actually agree with you here. But that is a very complicated topic.
The root of the problem is that we don't really see the other person as a human-being. At least not in the same way we see ourselves and the people we care about.
When you live in New York City, there are so many people that they just kind of blend together. They are both people and objects at the same time. And since you will probably never see any of them ever again, why does it matter how you treat them? They don't matter to you at all.
It is similar to how a large corporation only sees you as a number, a statistic, but not really a person. You are just a cog in a machine, to be used so long as you are beneficial, and then discarded.
I believe it is the highly-impersonal nature of modern society which is mostly to blame for the crime and other evils we see around us. Community is all but dead, family is dying, and connections with real people are weakening. All that is left is meaningless and temporary interactions, usually based on the pursuit of personal benefit or pleasure.
Just as the critics of capitalism have said, everyone is a commodity, an object, not a person.
Women say they want love. That they are the champions of love. But there is less love now than there has ever been. They have replaced love with lust, hedonism, superficiality, and pettiness. And men are just as much to blame.
Nothing but selfishness everywhere. And the most-selfish of all, pretend to be better than everyone else.
I don't have any skin in this game. I could really care less what you people do to this stupid world.
Look, we agree on two things.
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then complain about them later as if they were going to change 
