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Old 10-05-2018, 10:19 PM
 
Location: A State of Mind
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Originally Posted by Toyman at Jewel Lake View Post
Forget sexual assault and simply ask if individuals have a "duty" to protect themselves from crime. A person can just as readily be assaulted, murdered, mugged or robbed as sexually assaulted. Their car can be stolen or their house burglarized or vandalized.

Is there a "duty" to protect against such things? IMO, no. Duty implies a responsibility towards others, outside the individual or immediate family. Now-is it reasonable for a responsible individual to take measures to protect themselves from crime? To lock their house up when they leave. To keep valuables out of sight in their car. To not leave their keys in the car. To avoid "bad" areas. To carry a means of self defense, say a firearm or mace? IMO, yes, that's a pretty simple concept. Bad people exist-simply saying they shouldn't do those things and expecting them to listen is idiotic. That's the simple definition of criminal-duh.

Is there a responsibility for an adult (man or woman) to make an effort to protect their children, and the security in the house? IMO-yes.
One can do all of that, live their life this way, which I would imagine is pretty automatic for most to do for life, to not invite trouble, being alert, cautious, aware of surroundings and others.. and still have a situation occur. It can end up being that one becomes more inhibited, stays home more, goes places with others.

I recall a woman telling me that she "never drives alone at night anymore" with a look on her face. At the time when younger, I wondered how that could be, but in time, I have grown to be the same. Knowing that one may have a car problem for instance, having to wait for a tow-truck alone at night. I know dispatch will ask if you are "safe place" or not, so as to make you a priority, but just don't want to take chances. (I have otherwise had instances during the day, over a span of years, where others showed up to help whom I considered to be "Angels", that I will never forget). I have usually felt that most people are good and don't expect trouble, but women generally have their guard up. (This from woman who freely drove, would go dancing, drink, but not to excess, and drive home, in earlier days).

 
Old 10-05-2018, 10:56 PM
 
Location: SE Asia
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I don't propose anyone hang out with scumbags for any reason. Is that really the bar we're setting here? How many women go to frat parties where they're required to wear g strings and bikini bottoms? Sheesh. The subject of the thread is Do Women Have a Duty To Protect themselves, not are We Completely Stupid About Hanging Out With Obvious Douchebags.

And yes, even if they do, they aren't responsible for being assaulted. Neither are hookers or porn stars.
No they aren't. But they are responsible for putting themselves in a place where reality clashes with the law.

How many men rape women? According to some on here, all men who aren't shown that they will be punished.
I used examples of someone using poor judgement because it absolutely does happen.
Is it my fault if a dog bites me? It should be under control at all times. yet people get bitten all the time. What if I see the beware of dog sign on the fence and enter the yard anyway?
Then I own that.
You are right though. In most cases Rape is an ambush. The victim is stalked by a known associate or someone who sees them fairly often. How can you defend against that? You really can't. Boys are told from an early age rape is wrong and you will go to jail if you do it. Unlike what some say that is only effective with people who aren't predators to begin with. People who obey the law aren't the problem
 
Old 10-05-2018, 11:11 PM
 
Location: A State of Mind
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Boys are told from an early age rape is wrong and you will go to jail if you do it. Unlike what some say that is only effective with people who aren't predators to begin with. People who obey the law aren't the problem
I just wonder, what message did countless guys in prison get when they were young? (I realize, it is a Societal, Psycholgical problem with issues arising while one is being raised, clearly many not being raised so well).
 
Old 10-05-2018, 11:17 PM
 
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Women are more likely to be murdered by their partner than by anyone else, so really, a woman who gets married is just asking for it. Why would you be so stupid?
Good one.
 
Old 10-06-2018, 12:00 AM
 
Location: Out there somewhere...a traveling man.
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Does a Woman Have a Duty to Protect Herself From Sexual Assault?

Not according to Trump, grab it laugh and run.
 
Old 10-06-2018, 12:23 AM
 
Location: Round Rock, TX
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Does a Woman Have a Duty to Protect Herself From Sexual Assault?

Not according to Trump, grab it laugh and run.
Wow, do we need to pull the Bill Clinton trick too???

As for the topic, why would anyone want to rape in the first place

STDs and mental health risks are just as high for the rapist, so...
 
Old 10-06-2018, 12:51 AM
 
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Conservatism recognizes human-nature, and sees the world for what it is. Liberalism rejects human-nature, and sees the world how it ought to be.


The line in the sand here, is between what are reasonable precautions and what are unreasonable precautions.


Having women wear a Burka certainly seems like an unreasonable precaution, but would it have no effect?


Having women not drink any alcohol seems like an unreasonable precaution, but would it have no effect?


While I am not an advocate of "extreme religious patriarchy", I consider myself to be a realist and a pragmatist.

Telling men not to rape is a complete and utter waste of time. They already know. You need to come up with something better.
Then put men in special anti-rape clothing and don't permit them to go out drinking.
 
Old 10-06-2018, 12:55 AM
 
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I see humans for what they are, flawed creatures capable of evil. All of them, even you.


that doesn't address my question. I asked you why you think women fantasize about rape and your meaning when you brought that up.
 
Old 10-06-2018, 12:55 AM
 
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I just wonder, what message did countless guys in prison get when they were young? (I realize, it is a Societal, Psycholgical problem with issues arising while one is being raised, clearly many not being raised so well).
I don't have any statistics, but I imagine that the "countless guys in prison" for rape or similar crimes got no particular positive guidance on the subject. They were most likely left to glean their moral beliefs and sense of restraint from the common culture. And the common culture is hardly positive in that regard. I agree that many people, both men and women, are not being raised to be responsible, respectful, contributing adults.
 
Old 10-06-2018, 01:23 AM
 
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Then put men in special anti-rape clothing and don't permit them to go out drinking.
That's what it's really all about for feminist and liberals , controlling and oppressing men. This is contrary to nature of course, since nature wouldn't make males stronger just to be controlled by the weaker. All this rape hysteria is just a red herring and gaslighting and pretext for feminist and liberals to have more control.
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