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Of course it sounds stupid, yet it is the exact same logic you are using to base your opinion on. Honestly, it says more about your position than anything else.
Given that alcohol is a contributing factor to murder at an even higher rate than rape, and that men are more likely to be murdered while drinking then women are, you are off course warning your male children that if they are drunk they are more likely to be murdered right? That is they don’t want to be murdered they will avoid drinking and what not. That is a conversation had with boys right?
Alcohol might be a factor depending on the situation. And those situations are ones I've told them to avoid.
According to you, if a woman is walking down the street alone at 2am and she hears someone quickly approaching she shouldn't worry about it or do anything to keep herself safe because if someone does something to her it will be a result of someone being a bad guy and not the result of a bad guy meets woman in a vulnerable situation.
Men are told they will be punished for rape. Men are shown they will be punished for rape. Tyson certainly made that point clear. Prisons are filled with rapists. You seem to be under the impression that all men are born rapists and we need to be broken of the habit like a puppy peeing on the floor.
Im sorry if the presumption of innocence offends you, but that is justice.
Rofl! Not so up on the numbers are ya? The vast majority of rapists are not even charged let alone convicted.
Oh for goodness' sake, not holding a woman responsible for being assaulted is not teaching them to hate men. I love men. I just don't like men who assault women. There's plenty of women I don't like either.
Read some of the posts on here.
I was chastised by a few because I taught my daughters to use the buddy system and to not trust drinks from strangers.
I taught my girls to be strong independent women and they are all of that.
Now lets be real. If you know a certain bar is known for drugs, fights, and stabbings, and you go there anyway, that is stupid and you own some responsibility for going there.
If you go to a frat party where all women are required to wear a Bikini with a G string bottom. You have to have some clue that that is a party where the local azzholes are getting their rocks off and there is a very good chance that they just might get carried away at a young lady's expense. In other words they are scumbags any father would love to kill if the law allowed. A girl goes there knowing something is wrong. I think the rapists are dead wrong and deserve slow death. I thing the dumb azz girl tempted fate and lost.
The creepy friends or family members are the wild card. They need death as well. I have a cousin I never invited to my house and I never took my kids to his. Why? I din't like how he looked at my little ladies. They are half asian and look a lot like mom but with blue eyes. Sometimes people refuse to see, or accept that Uncle Joe is a perv. Look at Biden.... I wouldn't let that guy near my girls. maybe he is harmless, probably is, but he likes to get too close and is too touchy.
I know why. Do you? Care to explain why you said that?
I see humans for what they are, flawed creatures capable of evil. All of them, even you.
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They do brag. Trump bragged to that Billy guy and what did Billy do? laugh. And what was their excuse? LOCKER ROOM TALK. THE EXCUSE WAS THIS IS WHAT MEN DO IN LOCKER ROOMS. JOSH AROUND ABOUT SEXUALLY ASSAULTING WOMEN.
Locker-room talk is 90% big-fish story anyway. And he didn't say he raped anyone. It could have been sexual assault if it was unwanted(if it happened at all), but who is it that he was grabbing like that? No one has came forward from what I know. So if I was to guess, it never even happened. And Billy Bush didn't believe it happened either.
The bad things might have been voided if they hadn't had so much to drink.
You're suggesting that people don't need to do anything to protect themselves in life to avoid bad things from happening. How absurd. The important point here should be avoiding an assault.
And no, being drunk isn't an invitation but being drunk will be like a magnet to someone with ill intentions.
That applies to absolutely everyone, and for many situations. You either choose to drink or you don't. I don't anymore, fwiw. But women have no more higher risk of rape than any other bad consequence anyone else might suffer.
The alcohol thing is really a different discussion. I would wager many more sober women have been assaulted than drunk women.
Alcohol might be a factor depending on the situation. And those situations are ones I've told them to avoid.
According to you, if a woman is walking down the street alone at 2am and she hears someone quickly approaching she shouldn't worry about it or do anything to keep herself safe because if someone does something to her it will be a result of someone being a bad guy and not the result of a bad guy meets woman in a vulnerable situation.
So I really do pray you don't have daughters.
I really hope you don’t have sons, so I guess we are even.
Also, you should try not to make things up. I never said anything about women walking anywhere at 2am. That is a fib. Would you care to show where I said that at all?
I was chastised by a few because I taught my daughters to use the buddy system and to not trust drinks from strangers.
I taught my girls to be strong independent women and they are all of that.
Now lets be real. If you know a certain bar is known for drugs, fights, and stabbings, and you go there anyway, that is stupid and you own some responsibility for going there.
If you go to a frat party where all women are required to wear a Bikini with a G string bottom. You have to have some clue that that is a party where the local azzholes are getting their rocks off and there is a very good chance that they just might get carried away at a young lady's expense. In other words they are scumbags any father would love to kill if the law allowed. A girl goes there knowing something is wrong. I think the rapists are dead wrong and deserve slow death. I thing the dumb azz girl tempted fate and lost.
The creepy friends or family members are the wild card. They need death as well. I have a cousin I never invited to my house and I never took my kids to his. Why? I din't like how he looked at my little ladies. They are half asian and look a lot like mom but with blue eyes. Sometimes people refuse to see, or accept that Uncle Joe is a perv. Look at Biden.... I wouldn't let that guy near my girls. maybe he is harmless, probably is, but he likes to get too close and is too touchy.
Independent but in the buddy system? Do you maybe not know what the word independent means?
LMAO read some of what you write.
If we tell them they will be punished..
If we show them they will be punished...
They are freaking animals. They are predators and sociapaths. That is almost as funny as saying if we have even more sex education then women won't get pregnant. Well yeah if they and their sperm donors actually follow the training. Kids today know by 5th grade or earlier how babies are made and how pregnancy happens. It happens from unprotected sex.
Rapists dont give a damn about laws. They feel they won't get caught or flat out dont care if they do. That is reality.
Boys are already told. Well most anyway. Most boys are raised to respect women and do. What people like you dont get is that it isn't all men, or most men.
My girls are healthy strong women, very secure in their lives and they dont hate men or believe that all or most are rapists. I actually showed my eldest daughter some of your posts. She felt you are extreme, but then so do I. No harm no foul at least you are honest and for real.
At least three of you sound like you don't care about facts, and the fact is:
Someone with ill intentions + woman in a vulnerable situation = something bad is likely to happen.
I'm all in favor of women not putting themselves in vulnerable situations if it means they can avoid bad things from happening.
You find that offensive, insisting that it has nothing to do with a woman being in a vulnerable situation and everything to do with someone with ill intentions.
You don't care if women avoid something untoward happening - you just want to be sure that women not be burdened with doing as much as they can to keep themselves safe.
I don't drive without insurance, I don't drive through rough neighborhoods, I don't leave valuables in my car, and I wouldn't leave my wallet out on my porch.
There are certain things people with common sense do and don't do, and I can't argue with people who have no common sense about this.
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I was chastised by a few because I taught my daughters to use the buddy system and to not trust drinks from strangers.
I taught my girls to be strong independent women and they are all of that.
Now lets be real. If you know a certain bar is known for drugs, fights, and stabbings, and you go there anyway, that is stupid and you own some responsibility for going there.
If you go to a frat party where all women are required to wear a Bikini with a G string bottom. You have to have some clue that that is a party where the local azzholes are getting their rocks off and there is a very good chance that they just might get carried away at a young lady's expense. In other words they are scumbags any father would love to kill if the law allowed. A girl goes there knowing something is wrong. I think the rapists are dead wrong and deserve slow death. I thing the dumb azz girl tempted fate and lost.
The creepy friends or family members are the wild card. They need death as well. I have a cousin I never invited to my house and I never took my kids to his. Why? I din't like how he looked at my little ladies. They are half asian and look a lot like mom but with blue eyes. Sometimes people refuse to see, or accept that Uncle Joe is a perv. Look at Biden.... I wouldn't let that guy near my girls. maybe he is harmless, probably is, but he likes to get too close and is too touchy.
I don't propose anyone hang out with scumbags for any reason. Is that really the bar we're setting here? How many women go to frat parties where they're required to wear g strings and bikini bottoms? Sheesh. The subject of the thread is Do Women Have a Duty To Protect themselves, not are We Completely Stupid About Hanging Out With Obvious Douchebags.
And yes, even if they do, they aren't responsible for being assaulted. Neither are hookers or porn stars.
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