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Old 10-06-2018, 04:02 PM
 
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Originally Posted by MPowering1 View Post
LOL, yeah, apparently the only correct answer to the question posed in the thread title is an emphatic 'NO!'
You haven't explained how women's duty to protect themselves extends to the everyday risks inherent in just going about life.

Your major contribution is "don't drink too much".

How about you explain how women exercise this duty when they're being assaulted by a coworker, a boyfriend or an uncle? While they're stone cold sober?

 
Old 10-06-2018, 04:02 PM
 
Location: Midwest City, Oklahoma
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Yes, women can teach, but they are unfortunately not the sole influence in their sons’ lives. The sons are also influenced—maybe much more so—by men. Judging by many of the responses from men on here, that isn’t a good thing. Again, you are trying primarily to shift the focus of the blame to women.
The question is, are boys raised in fatherless homes better-behaved and less-likely to rape than men raised in two-parent homes?

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The current generation of men and women are reshuffling behavior, and this is a healthy thing. What we can do is raise our sons to be respectful, and raise our daughters to have self respect.
Do you think people have become more respectful or less respectful? Do you think people have developed more self-respect, or less self-respect?


Might it be possible, that the feminist movement, instead of getting people to respect and love each other, is actually turning us against each other?


It is my opinion that the word "respect" is primarily a male concept. But men tend to prefer rules and order.

A woman's world is chaos and drama.
 
Old 10-06-2018, 04:07 PM
 
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It is difficult for men not to view women as sex objects if they dress provocatively. Men are hardwired to be sexually aggressive towards women.

That's why I think it helps for women to dress more modestly, especially in professional or academic settings.
Women only want men to be sexually aggressive if they are highly attracted to them. It's no problem, you just have to be an highly attractive male and a mind reader or you might be a sexual harasser or offender .

Women dress scantily to outcompete other women. I personally don't mind women dressing scantily, I kind of prefer it.
 
Old 10-06-2018, 04:11 PM
 
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The question is, are boys raised in fatherless homes better-behaved and less-likely to rape than men raised in two-parent homes?



Do you think people have become more respectful or less respectful? Do you think people have developed more self-respect, or less self-respect?


Might it be possible, that the feminist movement, instead of getting people to respect and love each other, is actually turning us against each other?


It is my opinion that the word "respect" is primarily a male concept. But men tend to prefer rules and order.

A woman's world is chaos and drama.
Sigh. Srsly.
 
Old 10-06-2018, 04:11 PM
 
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The majority of sexual assault victims are assaulted by people they know, either at home, at work, or some other familiar setting.

The thread asks "Do Women Have A Duty To Protect Themselves From Sexual Assault" - not just sexual assault while they're drunk, while they're out, while they're at a party. While it does happen in those situations, it's not all or even most of the scenarios.

How do you propose women take reasonable precautions, lock their doors if you will, from assault by trusted and known men in their lives?

Locking your doors is easy and doesn't mandate you live your life any differently. It's a lazy answer and not a fitting solution to the problem.
That's just what makes it questionable if they were all really assault victims. The majority of consensual encounters females have are with people they know too. And since they knew the other person, what part did the female play that lead up to the encounter?
 
Old 10-06-2018, 04:20 PM
 
Location: Ohio
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LOL, yeah, apparently the only correct answer to the question posed in the thread title is an emphatic 'NO!'
That is the only correct answer.

No other answer can be derived without relegating women to 2nd-Class status. Every person, regardless of their age or how they're dressed, and irrespective of their state of intoxication has an inherent right to be free of unwanted touches.

If you cannot abide that, then you will probably end up before a court, and justifiably so.
 
Old 10-06-2018, 04:22 PM
 
Location: Here and now.
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That's just what makes it questionable if they were all really assault victims. The majority of consensual encounters females have are with people they know too. And since they knew the other person, what part did the female play that lead up to the encounter?
They were there?
 
Old 10-06-2018, 04:32 PM
 
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They were there?
Women are everywhere walking by random men in public. But why is the sexual encounter usually with someone they know. Maybe because they had a sexual rapport.
 
Old 10-06-2018, 04:39 PM
 
Location: Florida
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IMHO

It's sensible to take precautions about anything, don't walk down dark alleys after dark wearing a Rolex. Don't park your shiny new Ferrari in a known GTA area. Don't drive drunk or stoned. If you're attacked physically, sexually or verbally you have the option to defend yourself, and someone shooting the nads off an attempted rapist is fine in my book, just don't shoot the neighbor over a disagreement about an old mattress.

That said the perpetrator is always at fault to the maximum extent. There's no get out of jail free card because the victim ignored all common sense actions. There's no "they were dressed provocatively" defense. Someone can be dressed like a stripper on a pole and dancing as provocatively and falling down drunk but without informed consent you do not have license to touch, or anything else, and anyone doing so should expect prosecution to the fullest extent of the law.

My $0.02.
I wish this was true, but not always is. About a week ago, there was a case where a man was on trial for trying to drown his 2 month old daughter in the bathroom sink. He was high on some kind of drug and was causing some excitable delirium in this guy. Now, in Florida, voluntarily taking a drug and the result is a psychotic episode, that person is not supposed to be able to use the insanity defense, but somehow this guy was able to do that, and he was found not guilty.

Check out Bryan Patrice, of Palm Beach county. The incident happened in 2015.
 
Old 10-06-2018, 04:43 PM
 
Location: Phoenix, AZ
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There seems to be a lot of controversy around this issue. Although there is little debate that women are not responsible for sexual assaults, do they have a duty to protect themselves? If so, how? Avoiding being alone? Not drinking to excess, avoiding skimpy clothing, what? Many individuals of both genders have expressed this opinion. And if she doesn't protect herself in whatever way is deemed necessary or fitting, is the perpetrator less at fault if an assault happens?
I say carry a knife, switchblade or gun.

Somebody touches you without your permission, draw blood and don’t forget to call the cops right away. Have it documented and get several copies of police report.

BTW, I recently found out switchblades are legal in my state.
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