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That's what it's really all about for feminist and liberals , controlling and oppressing men. This is contrary to nature of course, since nature wouldn't make males stronger just to be controlled by the weaker. All this rape hysteria is just a red herring and gaslighting and pretext for feminist and liberals to have more control.
Nope. First of us, understand even the premise of that other poster stating that burkas WOULD help the problem. The burden is being shifted to women. If a man can see even our faces or ankle, he might be tempted to rape and therefore we can't show our ankles or faces.
That premise is built around the idea that men simply canNOT be expected to control themselves seeing females walking around. So put them in special anti-rape garments and don't punish us.
There seems to be a lot of controversy around this issue. Although there is little debate that women are not responsible for sexual assaults, do they have a duty to protect themselves? If so, how? Avoiding being alone? Not drinking to excess, avoiding skimpy clothing, what? Many individuals of both genders have expressed this opinion. And if she doesn't protect herself in whatever way is deemed necessary or fitting, is the perpetrator less at fault if an assault happens?
There is no scenario in which sexual assault is the fault of the victim. Period. It really is this simple.
Anyone claiming otherwise should frankly be ignored.
Random aside: The Qu'ran also says that men are responsible to avert their eyes. I saw a thing where a journalist was going around with this one Saudia Arabian women who is a real spit-fire. She chooses when to wear her veil and when not to, and when her husband argues, he wants it on anytime she is out of the house she says, sh. The men should do what they are supposed to - it's not all on me.
A woman in Saudia Arabia gets it more than half the people in this thread.
That's what it's really all about for feminist and liberals , controlling and oppressing men. This is contrary to nature of course, since nature wouldn't make males stronger just to be controlled by the weaker. All this rape hysteria is just a red herring and gaslighting and pretext for feminist and liberals to have more control.
Funny, I don't feel "controlled". White heterosexual male here.
I didn't realize that holding men to a principle to not rape or assault is "oppression".
It asks a broad question and I gave some specifics. And those specifics DO matter.
Or don't you care about women who have bad things happen to them because they drank too much?
You're blaming them. I don't understand your focus on this one thing. It's not by any measure the most common way that women get raped. Lots of bad things can happen to women and men from drinking too much.
Men and women are at risk for doing bad things themselves from drinking too much. Men can also have life-long consequences for poor decisions from alcohol. What is your point?
Nope. First of us, understand even the premise of that other poster stating that burkas WOULD help the problem. The burden is being shifted to women. If a man can see even our faces or ankle, he might be tempted to rape and therefore we can't show our ankles or faces.
That premise is built around the idea that men simply canNOT be expected to control themselves seeing females walking around. So put them in special anti-rape garments and don't punish us.
Well feminist women are the ones complaining about and being hysterical about sexual offense, not men like me. Why should men be burden with it?
Funny, I don't feel "controlled". White heterosexual male here.
I didn't realize that holding men to a principle to not rape or assault is "oppression".
You have a very weird dictionary.
But that is just the pretext used to just controlling men in general. I wouldn't be against men being encouraged to be disciplined, but not according to the demented liberal ideal of what a disciplined male should be.
Random aside: The Qu'ran also says that men are responsible to avert their eyes. I saw a thing where a journalist was going around with this one Saudia Arabian women who is a real spit-fire. She chooses when to wear her veil and when not to, and when her husband argues, he wants it on anytime she is out of the house she says, sh. The men should do what they are supposed to - it's not all on me.
A woman in Saudia Arabia gets it more than half the people in this thread.
I find it very curious you are a feminist and an Islamophile . Being control freaks is something islam and feminism have in common among other things.
Oh, so women only dislike rape when a man they are not attracted to rapes them. If they find the guy who rapes them attractive, they don't really mind being raped.
Thanks for clarifying! Make sure to tell that to the therapist I truly hope you are seeing.
I have been slowly trying to get through this thread....and just began giggling..
I have only read the first 6 pages of this thread, before deciding to comment.
This is a real difficult subject. Does a woman have a duty to protect herself from sexual assault? Well, she shouldn't have to, but in the real world, yes, I guess she does.
The world of women today is very different to the one I knew as a young man. Behaviour has changed dramatically. I am speaking of life in England of course, not America.
When I was out socialising, you only ever saw girls either with a boyfriend, husband, or in pairs. Never large groups of women like you see today. I never witnessed an unwanted advance, or sexual assault. That doesn't mean I say it didn't happen, because obviously it did.
I would meet girls, and walk them home sometimes. Maybe ask for another date. Perhaps a kiss. I never sensed any anxiety or fear in young women of that time, which is the early 70s. Are things different now, than they were then? Probably not from comments of older women talking of what went on in their youth, and what they encountered in their dealings with men.
I have heard, and read of some terrible events in more recent times. Girls getting in what they thought were cabs, and were not. Girls getting separated from friends, and ending up raped. Girls going back to the homes of men they have just met, and being assaulted. Even, what is known as 'date rape', sometimes knowing the person quite well.
I guess all women can do is take all the precautions they can. Don't leave drinks unattended in a bar. Make sure friends know what's going on when out in groups. Don't step out of bars, and climb into cars just because the driver claims to be driving a cab. In England, many cabs are just ordinary cars, with a plate on the back.
Girls today drink much more strong liquor than they used to. I guess a lot of this has come from many decades the British have been going to Spain on holiday. When I was young, girls drank maybe a small beer or such. Now it's vodka shots, and drinks of that kind. Women's bodies doesn't deal as well with alcohol as men's do.
I see things nowadays that you never saw in the past. Drunk women unconscious on street benches. Groups of drunk women enticing men, and playing silly games with them. Some men you can do that with, others you can't. I witness this only in tv documentaries of course. My time of being out at night in bars is long over.......
Like it or not, women need to be careful. There are some dangerous men out there, who see women as fair game. That's just the way it is now, and it appears, always has been.
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. Being control freaks is something islam and feminism have in common among other things.
