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Old 10-07-2018, 12:27 PM
 
Location: Florida
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Originally Posted by bawac34618 View Post
Republicans have spent the past 40 years making the overturn of Roe v Wade their defining issue. It has been the litmus test for every election local, state, and national. Do you really think people are insane for believing that Republicans will actually do what they have spent the past 40 years trying to do?
Of course not. After that they'd be complaining about all those single mothers' getting food stamps.

What do the anti-choice people think? That unwed teens and someone who cannot afford a kid will just live happily ever after because they were forced to have those kids, many of whom will end up in foster care or on food stamps. Or maybe the local priest will take them in.

 
Old 10-07-2018, 12:32 PM
 
Location: Upstate NY 🇺🇸
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Just an honest question from a person who has no stake in this fight (male).

How many states will make abortion totally or at least very hard to get once Roe vs. Wade gets overturned? Will it be instant, or gradual? (laws having to be passed and so forth.) My guess this will take place at the end of the current term, which is June of next year - seven months away.

I don't believe this talk of "stare decisis" and a "gradual" transformation of the Supreme Court. With five solid conservatives in there, it's full speed ahead to accomplish what the conservatives have struggled to do for decades - reverse the fateful Roe vs Wade decision of 1973. Cases are already in the pipeline to accomplish this objective.

Another question - assuming that I'm right and this indeed happens, how will this affect the 2020 elections? Great joy and celebration for the Republicans, as they roll on to historic victories in all three branches of government? Or will the tide turn and the Blue Wave engulfs all? (except for the S.C., of course!)

Oh, stop it.

The sky isn't falling and the SC won't be overturning Roe v. Wade. IF that ever happened, most states would still allow abortions, anyway, so they'd still be accessible, even in the event that late-term abortions, parental notification laws, or employer insurance-provided abortion came under review, with resulting restrictions.--which is much more likely to occur.
 
Old 10-07-2018, 12:34 PM
 
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Good grief, have you nothing better to do on a Sunday morning than start another hysteria-filled “what if?” thread?
Ridiculously sad that you have nothing else to ponder over.
And yet, here you are to answer said thread. So now who's ridiculous?
 
Old 10-07-2018, 12:55 PM
 
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Originally Posted by phantompilot View Post
Roe v Wade could be re-jiggered to limit it to medically-necessary abortion (and rape/incest as mentioned above)..that would be a good addendum to case law that was otherwise wrongly decided on the wrong grounds, under the almost-always-incorrect progressive doctrine of "liberal interpretation".

Agreed.
 
Old 10-07-2018, 01:11 PM
 
Location: Bella Vista, Ark
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This. Is the only reasonable answer.
and when Reagan signed the abortion bill in Ca way back when. That was his criteria. Rape, incest, a girl under 14 or moms health He lived to regret it because it didn't take long for the "mothers health to become the main reason for abortion or the mothers health to be given It is hard to determine if mom's emotional health is at stake. He always wished that part had not been in the bill. Maybe mom's life yes.
 
Old 10-07-2018, 01:11 PM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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With exceptions of civil rights... SC has stepped in when states violated human rights.
There are no exceptions. It is either authorized in the Constitution, or it isn't.
The federal government was not allowed to be formed, to govern the people directly. Only to govern the states and foreign interests.
 
Old 10-07-2018, 01:23 PM
 
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You’ll see more good sense laws being upheld, like those requiring doctors who perform abortion surgery to have admitting privileges at a nearby hospital.
Who are the voices that claim government overreach and deregulation?
 
Old 10-07-2018, 01:29 PM
 
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Originally Posted by Radical_Thinker View Post
Just an honest question from a person who has no stake in this fight (male).

How many states will make abortion totally or at least very hard to get once Roe vs. Wade gets overturned? Will it be instant, or gradual? (laws having to be passed and so forth.) My guess this will take place at the end of the current term, which is June of next year - seven months away.

I don't believe this talk of "stare decisis" and a "gradual" transformation of the Supreme Court. With five solid conservatives in there, it's full speed ahead to accomplish what the conservatives have struggled to do for decades - reverse the fateful Roe vs Wade decision of 1973. Cases are already in the pipeline to accomplish this objective.

Another question - assuming that I'm right and this indeed happens, how will this affect the 2020 elections? Great joy and celebration for the Republicans, as they roll on to historic victories in all three branches of government? Or will the tide turn and the Blue Wave engulfs all? (except for the S.C., of course!)
Of course you have a stake. You said it in the last sentence. You are making a political statement.

And your motivation is to do what Democrats have done for decades. Scare people of things that aren't going to happen.

People have seen through this. Trump exposed it. It's why Democrats have been reduced to a state of powerlessness not seen for more 100 years. Your aren't fooling anyone.

/thread
 
Old 10-07-2018, 02:06 PM
 
Location: NNJ
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There are no exceptions. It is either authorized in the Constitution, or it isn't.
The federal government was not allowed to be formed, to govern the people directly. Only to govern the states and foreign interests.
Which amendment legalized abortion? Or otherwise? Hint it has its foundation on privacy...

There are many times SC stepped in over states when civil rights are concerned. Civil rights are not subject to popularity of vote. Roe vs wade, various privacy, Loving vs Virginia are examples..

Last edited by usayit; 10-07-2018 at 02:23 PM..
 
Old 10-07-2018, 03:06 PM
 
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Calm down, Roe vs Wade is not going to be overturned.
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