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Old 12-15-2018, 10:04 AM
 
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Why do you need it if you can pay for yourself as you have claimed in past posts? You have claimed you are healthy and that you always will be. It is in your genetic makeup.
I don’t like having what I had for me taken from me and then some jackass saying it is better for me because because that same mindless idiot wants me to pay for other people’s stuff.

Not now, not ever.
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Old 12-15-2018, 10:06 AM
 
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They never got a dime from me.
Nor me, I never had ACA and my tax credits cancelled out the fine.
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Old 12-15-2018, 10:08 AM
 
Location: Florida
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It says a lot that the judge waited until people had enrolled before yanking their health insurance.
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Old 12-15-2018, 10:10 AM
 
Location: Victoria, BC.
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How much more tax would you be willing to pay for it?
10%?
15%?
50%?
Just a heads up....US taxpayers are paying more than Canadians now, and we afford universal care, why can't you?

The tax rate for a married couple with one income and two kids in the U.S. is 12 times as high as the tax rate on the same family in Canada.
No, that's not a typo.
It's among new data from the OECD, which shows that the old belief Canadians are a higher-taxed people than Americans is no longer true. The numbers are all the more remarkable when considering how much more value for money Canadian wage earners get for their taxes than Americans — our universal health care system being one obvious example.


https://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2018/0...cd_a_23426460/
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Old 12-15-2018, 10:12 AM
 
Location: Florida
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What ever happened to the Republicans finding a better solution?
Does it look like they are working on a solution?

Hell no.

The Republican party is not about solutions, it is only about opposing stuff, even when that are in full control. They are only good at whining.
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Old 12-15-2018, 10:13 AM
 
Location: Just over the horizon
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So we can dsmiss those with a preexisting conditions as collateral damage because they are only a small percentage. Strangely Trump claimed he supported this while at the same time suing for removal in the courts. Evidently quite a few people used the ACA without being forced. So what’s your option for healthcare if the ACA disappears.



Interested in why you think it's an all or nothing equation?

I have my own ideas, but nobody listens to me lol.

1. Healthcare co-ops.

A group of individuals join a co-op that is served by a physician or group of physicians. They pay a monthly fee for the service but never pay any extra when they actually go to the doctor. Admittedly, this would probably only be useful for routine medical care and things like tests and minor surgery.



2. Healthcare savings accounts.

This would work much like social security, in that you would start contributing to it when you start working and it would follow you from job to job your entire life. Tax free in and out.
You decide how much to contribute but it can only be used for health care expenses or retirement.
If you pass away with money still in your account, it automatically goes into your family's accounts or into a general fund for the truly indigent.


3. A hybrid system.

A hybrid system would mean that individuals are responsible for their own basic healthcare needs such as office visits, prescriptions and minor or elective surgeries through traditional means such as employer-provided health insurance and the above described co-ops and health care savings accounts etc.

While the government, through a Medicare like system, would be responsible for more catastrophic illness, pre-existing conditions and major surgeries.

Both systems used together would result in lower costs across the board because each individual system only takes on part of the overall healthcare costs.
Individuals and insurance covering the low end and government covering the high end.

Traditional policies could still be available for those who wish to have them.

4. Encourage focus on reducing the actual cost of healthcare instead of worrying so much about health insurance.

It's always been rather perplexing to me how every other industry seems to be able to reduce their costs over time as technology gets older and improves......but healthcare can't seem to figure out how to do that.
Provide tax incentives for providers to lower costs of testing equipment and drugs etc.

......After all, people wouldn't be so dependant on insurance if healthcare wasn't so bloody expensive in the first place.

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Old 12-15-2018, 10:14 AM
 
Location: A Nation Possessed
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... and we afford universal care, why can't you?...
You could also afford buying everyone a new home and new car if you set your tax rates a little higher. Why don't you do that?
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Old 12-15-2018, 10:15 AM
 
Location: Victoria, BC.
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I don’t like having what I had for me taken from me and then some jackass saying it is better for me because because that same mindless idiot wants me to pay for other people’s stuff.

Not now, not ever.
So you have no car insurance or home owner insurance?....If you do then horrors, you are paying for other peoples stuff.
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Old 12-15-2018, 10:19 AM
 
Location: A Nation Possessed
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So you have no car insurance or home owner insurance?....If you do then horrors, you are paying for other peoples stuff.
Voluntarily, not as a mandate. Big difference.
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Old 12-15-2018, 10:19 AM
 
Location: Victoria, BC.
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You could also afford buying everyone a new home and new car if you set your tax rates a little higher. Why don't you do that?
What's your point? Do you think the government should be Santa?...I thought we were talking about insurance here.

In Canada health care is a right, cars, homes and other material things are not...Use your brain.
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