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You know what else? The "black perspective" is not the only valid perspective here. Nor is the "Doubletree perspective" or the "police perspective" or any other one perspective. My gosh, hasn't anyone ever read the story of the blind men describing an elephant? They were all right to some extent but it was the whole, not the individual descriptions, that gave the whole picture.
I don't know, call me crazy, but I want to understand the whole picture, the whole scenario. Dismissing any one perspective by saying that a person can't possibly understand it because they aren't black (or fill in the blank) is just as ugly a sentiment as any other one sided perspective can be.
Maybe everyone involved was sort of racist, sort of expecting the worst from other people based on skin color. Who knows? That's why open minded people look at more than just a short clip of video, or listen to more than one side of a story.
You know what else? The "black perspective" is not the only valid perspective here. Nor is the "Doubletree perspective" or the "police perspective" or any other one perspective. My gosh, hasn't anyone ever read the story of the blind men describing an elephant? They were all right to some extent but it was the whole, not the individual descriptions, that gave the whole picture.
I don't know, call me crazy, but I want to understand the whole picture, the whole scenario. Dismissing any one perspective by saying that a person can't possibly understand it because they aren't black (or fill in the blank) is just as ugly a sentiment as any other one sided perspective can be.
Maybe everyone involved was sort of racist, sort of expecting the worst from other people based on skin color. Who knows? That's why open minded people look at more than just a short clip of video, or listen to more than one side of a story.
If you wanted to understand the whole picture, why were you focused so much on the black person social media account and reading it? In fairness, if you did not have or seek the social media accounts of the other participants, to see their background, it was unfair to have only the black persons background, which really showed nothing incriminating or showing a history of being highly sensitive to racism, I am assuming, because you never mentioned it.
The information you had was unbalanced.....hence....so was your analysis.
The ONLY reason I brought up their skin tone (as I hope you actually realize ) is because it is pertinent to this discussion. The discussion is about race. It's about being judged by one's skin color. It's about peoples' reactions to skin color.
Hopefully we got that straight. Now that we're attempting to have a logical discussion apparently and you're talking about objective definitions, let me first of all point out that yes, words have meanings - clearly defined meanings in most cases, so I'm glad we agree on that. Not to go too sideways on that, but dress codes have meanings as well. Mannerisms have meanings too (if you don't believe me, try giving the US "OK" signal with two fingers touching, to someone in Germany). But let's get back to the definition of words.
I agree on those definitions, and based on those definitions, I don't believe I am approaching this situation in either a racist or prejudiced manner. (shrug) You can judge yourself for yourself.
Bull SHip!! You brought up your kids color only to highlight YOU and to persuade that YOU and YOUR OPINION, is not motivated by racism. Your kids color has NOTHING to do with this story, no more than MY COLOR has anything to do with this story. Your kids were not there. The color of your kids is as about as pertinent to the story as the color of my kids gym shoes.
Well.... many were given the book about Christ with one hand, and had their land and freedom taken with the other hand. Unless one is Jesus, they will always fall short of doing what Jesus would do. That having been said, no injustice has been righted via passivity and being free of anger over the situation.
There's nothing inherently wrong with anger. It's what you do with it that matters. You can be angry and derive strength and determination from that anger, and still carry yourself with dignity and integrity, or you can be angry and scream and yell and use that anger to justify all sorts of terrible behavior.
I've also never said I agree with passivity as an answer to any social injustice. You know what - you can be dignified, you can be calm - and you can still be very effective. Often moreso than employing other more ruthless means.
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Great stuff there - and those aren't quotes from Jesus.
Bull SHip!! You brought up your kids color only to highlight YOU and to persuade that YOU and YOUR OPINION, is not motivated by racism. Your kids color has NOTHING to do with this story, no more than MY COLOR has anything to do with this story. Your kids were not there.
Sorry you insist on seeing it that way. The topic is racism, prejudice, judging others on the color of their skin. I have a perspective that differs from yours and I was explaining how I reached that perspective, and guess what - my perspective is absolutely as valid as yours.
Sorry you insist on seeing it that way. The topic is racism, prejudice, judging others on the color of their skin. I have a perspective that differs from yours and I was explaining how I reached that perspective, and guess what - my perspective is absolutely as valid as yours.
No....the topic is not racism, in general. This is a particular incident that was possibly racially motivated. Nothing about YOUR LIFE adds any value in determining whether this incident was or was not racially motivated. Certainly the color of your kids add NOTHING to discovering the truth about the hotel incident. You only brought up your kids color as COVER for your motivation of being critical of the black person involved. Many white people, after saying something that sounds or is implicitly racist, will try to accredited their opinion by mentioning that some of their best friends are black or the black people they dated etc. You focused on your kids color, which was not germane at all to helping to discover the probable truth of the motivations for the hotel incident.
The police report saying he was loud.......meh -- really -- you are going to just assume the police didn't change their report once they realized the ridiculous nature of their actions.
Even if he was loud and rude......so what.
It happens in dealing with customers.
The officer, security guard and manager should have apologized and just let the man go.
No matter how loud Massey was before he showed his key -- it was all over then and the security guard needs to move away.
Also --- Massey clearly says -- you have cameras -- look at them. Not sure he would encourage that kind of action if he felt he was out of line.
So most likely he was loud and rude, and refused to be quieter in his conversation when asked nicely. So after he showed them the ID (after being rude and disrespectful) he should have been allowed to continue screaming into his phone and bothering everyone?
And the police would have no reason to lie on their report.....and obviously you are one of those customers who feel entitled to be rude when going to places.
If you wanted to understand the whole picture, why were you focused so much on the black person social media account and reading it? In fairness, if you did not have or seek the social media accounts of the other participants, to see their background, it was unfair to have only the black persons background, which really showed nothing incriminating or showing a history of being highly sensitive to racism, I am assuming, because you never mentioned it.
The information you had was unbalanced.....hence....so was your analysis.
There was a whole lot of stuff on Massey's social media that I didn't mention much about, but believe me, I noticed it. Listen, he intended for his social media to be perused - he posts a lot of stuff on social media and the news accounts and Google are full of front and center links to his social media - it's actually hard NOT to look at his social media if you're interested in the story. The thing is - I didn't just look at a snippet of video, or one Tweet, or whatever. I just browsed down through his public profiles, like anyone could do.
Maybe he's cleaned it up now, I don't know. And yeah, I'm too lazy to try to figure out the 71 year old security guard's last name so I can look him up - I was going by mainstream media articles and the first page of Google searches (super easy for anyone to do) but call me prejudiced or judgmental - I would be willing to bet that if he does have a social media presence it's pretty boring because no news outlet has reported on it.
Hey, I think I WILL go look it up and see if he has the same online social media presence that Jermaine Massey has! Thanks for the push!
Think about it. We are moving to become a country where we have to walk around carrying PROOF that we belong....or face being arrested. Black people have always lived in such a USA. White people seem to be saying that they don't mind living in such a country. It seems that such a country is reminiscent of communist Russia.
um, ok, but what does that have to do with only paying guests being allowed to use amenities of a business?
As a guest, I have been doing things like being in the pool or whatever, and a new security guy comes on duty who didn't see me check in. I had to get out of the pool, get my key, and show them! I learned to leave keys on top of my towels and such to point to - this is not difficult.
If I refused and it escalated, you'd never hear about it because there is no such headline as swimming while white.
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