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But the wall will do nothing to affect the people already in the US, so why are you looking at "overall illegal population" in the US? You should be looking at the number of new/additional illegal immigrants if you want to know the effect of a border wall on illegal immigration. According to your source, in 2014 2/3 of illegal immigrants were illegal overstays. So the border wall would affect at most some portion of the remaining 1/3 of illegal immigrants. Once you factor in Canadian border crossers and those who cross via legal ports of entry, you are probably looking at less than 1/4 of overall illegal immigrants affected by the wall. Moreover, according to your source, the ratio of overstays to illegal border crossers continues to trend towards overstays.
In other words, your 42% number is totally irrelevant to the discussion.
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Lie #2. Continue to get smaller? I've posted the stats multiple times. The number was 340,000 in 2011. If it was continuing to get smaller we would be below 200,000 by now yet the number was 400,000 last year. And the numbers for the first two months of fy2019 are over 50,000 per month which extrapolates to 600,000 for a year. That is not "getting smaller".
The wall won't stop overstays. So friggin what? We have multiple problems that require multiple solutions. The time is past for playing one against the other to achieve inaction on all of them.
The number of border crossers has been trending downwards for years. 2017 had the fewest in at least 2 decades. Here's a chart. Explain to me how the number of border crossers is not generally continuing to get smaller.
How do you know they have not conducted this stuff? I posted it before, how many miles they have done and how many they have to go....how do you 100% know they did not do more with the money they had while doing it initially?
Because Bob the builder's plans for his wall, or lack thereof, were looked at.
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The report from the Government Accountability Office, a nonpartisan group that forms part of Congress' oversight arm, said that "key information" is missing from the plans.
It further concluded that the US Department of Homeland Security "faces an increased risk that the Border Wall System Program will cost more than projected, take longer than planned, or not fully perform as expected."
Factors like a varying terrain and land ownership had not been taken fully into account, the report said, which drive up costs.
O.K., so I'll play your game....were these certified wall/fence builders? Who were they, what is their actual job? Were they even considered "builders"? Or was it just a bunch of number cruncher's that have no clue what they are even looking at, except numbers?
Thanks for the link, this is also from your link:
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A Department of Homeland Security spokesperson told CNN that it would be "misleading and inaccurate" for the Government Accountability Office to say that "progress is not being documented or to imply that progress is not being tracked."
O.K., so I'll play your game....were these certified wall/fence builders? Who were they, what is their actual job? Were they even considered "builders"? Or was it just a bunch of number cruncher's that have no clue what they are even looking at, except numbers?
Thanks for the link, this is also from your link:
How about you just show us the full report for trump's projected wall including design, feasibility, cost/benefit analysis, cost of material and labor, where exactly the wall will be built, and projected cost of maintenance.
Former Utah congressman and Fox News contributor Jason Chaffetz slammed House Speaker Nancy Pelosi for urging President Trump to delay his planned State of the Union address amid the partial government shutdown.
Pelosi (D-Calif) on Wednesday suggested Trump postpone the televised address -- scheduled for Jan. 29 -- until the shutdown ends, or submit the address in writing.
“Sadly, given the security concerns and unless the government re-opens this week, I suggest that we work together to determine another suitable date after government has re-opened for this address or for you to consider delivering your State of the Union address in writing to Congress on January 29," Pelosi wrote in a letter to Trump.
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