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What's next? 10 billion for the Moat? 20 billion for boiling oil defense? Listen to yourselves. It's 2019....... This Fugasi president has reduced the American people to blathering idiots.........
Maybe so but more likely imo is that if Trump presented such a study we would just see organized propaganda alleging the study wasn't really independent because one of the researchers had a grandson that used to work for Trump, or that it didn't say specifically what kind of concrete or who would be the manufacturer, or that it only looked at 20' and 25' walls and overlooked 22' walls.
On what are you basing your opinion that "it won't be all that effective"? The actual stats where substantial barriers have been erected all show that illegal apprehensions are way down. Do you have any case examples where a wall was actually built and it was shown statistically to be ineffective?
I'm sure parapets and dragons are effective as well .... It's 2019. I think we can come up with a better way to control immigration than a no show mafiosos wet dream construction project.....
I'm sure parapets and dragons are effective as well .... It's 2019. I think we can come up with a better way to control immigration than a no show mafiosos wet dream construction project.....
I'll just leave this here, since it's obvious that you know better then them dam people on the border patrolling.....
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The Bottom Line: Walls Work. When it comes to stopping drugs and illegal aliens from crossing our borders, border walls have proven to be extremely effective. Border security relies on a combination of border infrastructure, technology, personnel and partnerships with law enforcement at the state, local, tribal, and federal level. For example, when we installed a border wall in the Yuma Sector, we have seen border apprehensions decrease by 90 percent. In San Diego, we saw on Sunday that dilapidated, decades-old barriers are not sufficient for today’s threat and need to be removed so new – up to 30 foot wall sections can be completed.
Maybe so but more likely imo is that if Trump presented such a study we would just see organized propaganda alleging the study wasn't really independent because one of the researchers had a grandson that used to work for Trump, or that it didn't say specifically what kind of concrete or who would be the manufacturer, or that it only looked at 20' and 25' walls and overlooked 22' walls.
Maybe, maybe not. I can't opine on the validity of an attack on a non-existent study. If Trump wants a wall, step one should be "here is my plan, and here is a study showing it will work and be cost-effective" rather than "give me $5.7 billion and I'll tell you what I did with it later."
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On what are you basing your opinion that "it won't be all that effective"? The actual stats where substantial barriers have been erected all show that illegal apprehensions are way down. Do you have any case examples where a wall was actually built and it was shown statistically to be ineffective?
The wall won't affect asylum seekers or visa overstayers and they make up the overwhelming majority of illegal immigrants. The wall won't stop all of those who cross the Southern border in places other than ports of entry. So now you're talking about stopping a fraction of less than half of illegal immigrants (whose numbers continue to get smaller even without the wall)... starting a decade or so from now when the eminent domain cases are completed and the wall actually built. That doesn't sound so great to me.
I'm sure parapets and dragons are effective as well .... It's 2019. I think we can come up with a better way to control immigration than a no show mafiosos wet dream construction project.....
There isn't a "better way" being offered as an alternative choice. There has been plenty of time for those "better ways" to be implemented. The time for talking is over, now is time to start taking action. The Democratic House isn't proposing any of those "better ways" as an alternative option to the wall because they want to maintain the status quo of doing nothing.
Maybe, maybe not. I can't opine on the validity of an attack on a non-existent study. If Trump wants a wall, step one should be "here is my plan, and here is a study showing it will work and be cost-effective" rather than "give me $5.7 billion and I'll tell you what I did with it later."
The wall won't affect asylum seekers or visa overstayers and they make up the overwhelming majority of illegal immigrants. The wall won't stop all of those who cross the Southern border in places other than ports of entry. So now you're talking about stopping a fraction of less than half of illegal immigrants (whose numbers continue to get smaller even without the wall)... starting a decade or so from now when the eminent domain cases are completed and the wall actually built. That doesn't sound so great to me.
Seriously? Why must you lie? Is your username pronounced "TEP Lie to Me"?
Lie #1. Overwhelming? In recent years, overstays have exceeded illegal crossings by a few percentage points while the overall illegal population remains mostly illegal crossers. There is no "overwhelming" here in any direction.
"In 2014, about 4.5 million US residents, or 42 percent of the total undocumented population, were overstays." Note this is from an anti-wall source. http://cmsny.org/publications/jmhs-v...s-border-wall/
Lie #2. Continue to get smaller? I've posted the stats multiple times. The number was 340,000 in 2011. If it was continuing to get smaller we would be below 200,000 by now yet the number was 400,000 last year. And the numbers for the first two months of fy2019 are over 50,000 per month which extrapolates to 600,000 for a year. That is not "getting smaller".
The wall won't stop overstays. So friggin what? We have multiple problems that require multiple solutions. The time is past for playing one against the other to achieve inaction on all of them.
Seriously? Why must you lie? Is your username pronounced "TEP Lie to Me"?
Lie #1. Overwhelming? In recent years, overstays have exceeded illegal crossings by a few percentage points while the overall illegal population remains mostly illegal crossers. There is no "overwhelming" here in any direction.
Lie #2. Continue to get smaller? I've posted the stats multiple times. The number was 340,000 in 2011. If it was continuing to get smaller we would be below 200,000 by now yet the number was 400,000 last year. And the numbers for the first two months of fy2019 are over 50,000 per month which extrapolates to 600,000 for a year. That is not "getting smaller".
The wall won't stop overstays. So friggin what? We have multiple problems that require multiple solutions. The time is past for playing one against the other to achieve inaction on all of them.
Quit cherry picking...you use 2011 because it's an outlier, I called you on it once but you just blow it off and keep referring to it as though it 'makes your case'. And you can't extrapolate 2 months from fiscal year 2019 and use it for anything unless you can demonstrate that in those two months in a majority of previous years had a proportionately smaller number.
The only border crisis is the one in the mind of Trump and his snowflake followers
Quit cherry picking...you use 2011 because it's an outlier, I called you on it once but you just blow it off and keep referring to it as though it 'makes your case'. And you can't extrapolate 2 months from fiscal year 2019 and use it for anything unless you can demonstrate that in those two months in a majority of previous years had a proportionately smaller number.
The only border crisis is the one in the mind of Trump and his snowflake followers
So use 364,000 in 2012. It's not an outlier. It shows that the numbers are not "continuing" to decline but have remained fairly stable since a decline in the 2006-2009 period.
I certainly can extrapolate the first two months. But as you requested, the monthly totals from 2014 (which I think is the year you wanted to pick).
Is there any doubt still in your mind that illegal immigration the first two months of fy2019 is way above normal?
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