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View Poll Results: Are you happy with Trump’s deal to reopen the Federal government for 3 weeks?
I’m happy with the deal 41 36.61%
It’s ok 50 44.64%
I’m unhappy with this deal 21 18.75%
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Old 02-02-2019, 09:57 AM
 
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Democrats are playing for keeps here and Republicans know this.

Whether Trump does is anybody's guess.
Trump takes Pelosi comments like "immoral" and "no" and plays them to the press. The battle for public opinion is an art where Pelosi cannot go too far but just far enough to send a very strong message to - McConnell. They both are pros.

This forum fascinates. There continue to be these long impassioned discourses on some threads how this remains a Trump master plan.
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Old 02-02-2019, 10:32 AM
 
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McConnell Warns Trump Off Emergency Tactic Amid Possible GOP Revolt

Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) has privately cautioned President Donald Trump not to declare a national emergency to build his southern border wall, The Washington Post reported Friday. He warned Trump that such a declaration might split the GOP and that Congress could pass a resolution opposing it, two Republican sources familiar with the conversation told the newspaper.

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry...b00187b5511c84

I hope he tries it. Something has to finally shake the GOP out of its blind complacency here.
This is true, however, the President can veto that action, and then we need 2/3's to override the veto. I have no doubt that Congress has the votes to override the declaration, I'm not sure if the 2/3 votes are there.
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Old 02-02-2019, 11:27 AM
 
Location: Michigan
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McConnell Warns Trump Off Emergency Tactic Amid Possible GOP Revolt

Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) has privately cautioned President Donald Trump not to declare a national emergency to build his southern border wall, The Washington Post reported Friday. He warned Trump that such a declaration might split the GOP and that Congress could pass a resolution opposing it, two Republican sources familiar with the conversation told the newspaper.

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry...b00187b5511c84

I hope he tries it. Something has to finally shake the GOP out of its blind complacency here.
Pres. Trump has absolutely NO other choice, if the Dems refuse to come to terms for wall money. Otherwise he loses all hope of keeping his base, beyond maybe the extreme hardcore ones. But enough to likely sink re-election for sure, if there's any chance at all now, beyond something spectacular he pulls off before 2020.

So, I say he'll do it in that case. What happens then, we'll find out.
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Old 02-02-2019, 11:47 AM
 
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Pres. Trump has absolutely NO other choice, if the Dems refuse to come to terms for wall money. Otherwise he loses all hope of keeping his base, beyond maybe the extreme hardcore ones. But enough to likely sink re-election for sure, if there's any chance at all now, beyond something spectacular he pulls off before 2020.

So, I say he'll do it in that case. What happens then, we'll find out.
He's put himself in a really stupid position. Damned if he does by his own party; damned if he doesn't by his ever-shrinking base. There is no way out for him that doesn't damn him with one side or the other, both of whom he needs if he wants to get reelected.

Stupid is as stupid does. Trump has shown how accurate that is in this whole self-created lose/lose situation.
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Old 02-02-2019, 11:48 AM
 
Location: Buckeye, AZ
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Pres. Trump has absolutely NO other choice, if the Dems refuse to come to terms for wall money. Otherwise he loses all hope of keeping his base, beyond maybe the extreme hardcore ones. But enough to likely sink re-election for sure, if there's any chance at all now, beyond something spectacular he pulls off before 2020.

So, I say he'll do it in that case. What happens then, we'll find out.
And Trump should he shutdown the government again would likely also lose in 2020.
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Old 02-02-2019, 11:58 AM
 
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Pres. Trump has absolutely NO other choice, if the Dems refuse to come to terms for wall money. Otherwise he loses all hope of keeping his base, beyond maybe the extreme hardcore ones. But enough to likely sink re-election for sure, if there's any chance at all now, beyond something spectacular he pulls off before 2020.

So, I say he'll do it in that case. What happens then, we'll find out.
You may well be right. It gives him an out. There's a downside from using funds pulled from various accounts reachable under the National Emergencies Act. That probably won't immediately impact the public like the shutdown did. No one wants a disaster - EVER. To risk one (even something minor to be inflamed) prior to 2020 is a price to be paid.

McConnell's warned Trump the Senate could easily pass a disapproval resolution forcing a Trump veto.

He can't build substantial mileage in the Rio Grande without acquiring the land. The next Rio Grande project on the wish list is on the levee, which I guess either the Federal government (or State?) controls.

Cornyn's sure trying to shut the Wall down. Even Texans away from the border prize the concept of private property. Trump's proceeding against Congressional disapproval is really going to go over well (sarcasm).

That Texas may go blue in 2020 is already a possibility.
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Old 02-02-2019, 01:01 PM
 
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You may well be right. It gives him an out. There's a downside from using funds pulled from various accounts reachable under the National Emergencies Act. That probably won't immediately impact the public like the shutdown did. No one wants a disaster - EVER. To risk one (even something minor to be inflamed) prior to 2020 is a price to be paid.

McConnell's warned Trump the Senate could easily pass a disapproval resolution forcing a Trump veto.

He can't build substantial mileage in the Rio Grande without acquiring the land. The next Rio Grande project on the wish list is on the levee, which I guess either the Federal government (or State?) controls.

Cornyn's sure trying to shut the Wall down. Even Texans away from the border prize the concept of private property. Trump's proceeding against Congressional disapproval is really going to go over well (sarcasm).

That Texas may go blue in 2020 is already a possibility.
Seizing land from private landowners would be a tough one to sell in Texas.

Seizing National Emergency funds would be a tough one to sell all over the country. I've already seen clips of Republican legislators opposing that.

As mentioned earlier, Trump is damned if he does, damned if he doesn't.

Whichever direction he decides to go puts Republicans in a tough spot.
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Old 02-02-2019, 02:11 PM
 
Location: alexandria, VA
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Seizing land from private landowners would be a tough one to sell in Texas.

Seizing National Emergency funds would be a tough one to sell all over the country. I've already seen clips of Republican legislators opposing that.

As mentioned earlier, Trump is damned if he does, damned if he doesn't.

Whichever direction he decides to go puts Republicans in a tough spot.
Trump's white whale is going to pull him under.
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Old 02-02-2019, 02:13 PM
 
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Seizing land from private landowners would be a tough one to sell in Texas.

Seizing National Emergency funds would be a tough one to sell all over the country. I've already seen clips of Republican legislators opposing that.

As mentioned earlier, Trump is damned if he does, damned if he doesn't.

Whichever direction he decides to go puts Republicans in a tough spot.
It puts Republicans in the spot of having to finally, at long last, stop cowering in the corner and stand up to him. Will they do it? Nothing in the near past indicates they have the guts for it, but one has to hope even for this spineless group there is a breaking point, right?

Or maybe not. Perhaps the GOP really has ceded the party to Trump. If they don't stand up to him here, they might as well just change the name to the Party of Trump and be done with it.

Spineless cowards, all.
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Old 02-02-2019, 02:18 PM
 
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Seizing land from private landowners would be a tough one to sell in Texas.

Seizing National Emergency funds would be a tough one to sell all over the country. I've already seen clips of Republican legislators opposing that.

As mentioned earlier, Trump is damned if he does, damned if he doesn't.

Whichever direction he decides to go puts Republicans in a tough spot.
Trump made some reference to taking the land under "military eminent domain." The pundit didn't know what he was talking about.

The spector of Trump sending out the military (maybe not literally, but per some "authority") not even turning to civil courts to seize land from Texans ??? Many of these are ranching families that have been on the border for generations. This with everyone - Senate Republicans as well as House Democrats - first telling him no.

Wow, that.
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