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Old 04-08-2019, 10:29 PM
 
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He was not exonerated. We have a right to know why. They found some things that were out of line--admit it--what is the right wing so afraid of? Same with his tax returns. He lied and said they were being audited and that's why he couldn't release them. Again, what is there to be so afraid of? Even Nixon was willing to have his tax returns released.

 
Old 04-08-2019, 11:22 PM
 
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He was not exonerated. We have a right to know why. They found some things that were out of line--admit it--what is the right wing so afraid of? Same with his tax returns. He lied and said they were being audited and that's why he couldn't release them. Again, what is there to be so afraid of? Even Nixon was willing to have his tax returns released.
Wrong legal term. To be exonerated you have to be charged with a crime and convicted of a crime. It's similar to an acquittal but different. If things were out of line but not a crime then the case is closed. Out of line is not a legal term. Either Mueller indicts or recommends indictments in the DOJ or he doesn't. Mueller is not a judge or a jury to exonerate anybody that was never charged or convicted of a crime. He either indicts or he doesn't.

Making your tax returns public is not required by law. Bernie Sanders and Nancy Pelosi have been in Congress for decades and they have never released to the public their tax returns and they are richer now since they came into office decades ago.


 
Old 04-08-2019, 11:29 PM
 
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Wrong legal term. To be exonerated you have to be charged with a crime and convicted of a crime. It's similar to an acquittal but different. If things were out of line but not a crime then the case is closed. Out of line is not a legal term. Either Mueller indicts or recommends indictments in the DOJ or he doesn't. Mueller is not a judge or a jury to exonerate anybody. He either indicts or he doesn't.

Making your tax returns public is not required by law. Bernie Sanders and Nancy Pelosi have been in Congress for decades and they have never released to the public their tax returns and they are richer now since they came into office decades ago.

All right, Mueller said there wasn't enough to recommend indictment then. But there was something, just not enough. We'd like to know what he found.

Releasing your tax returns isn't required but if asked, most politicians would do it unless they had something to hide. He said he was being audited and that's why he wouldn't release his taxes. Pretty long audit. It makes things look suspicious.
 
Old 04-08-2019, 11:52 PM
 
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All right, Mueller said there wasn't enough to recommend indictment then. But there was something, just not enough. We'd like to know what he found.

Releasing your tax returns isn't required but if asked, most politicians would do it unless they had something to hide. He said he was being audited and that's why he wouldn't release his taxes. Pretty long audit. It makes things look suspicious.

well, Congress can subpoena him and Barr and ask all the questions they like about the law and the constitution. I know Barr isn't afraid to talk about the constitution and the law. The man knows his stuff....I don't know about Mueller. Last time I saw him speak was during the Bush years about the WMD and I wasn't impressed.

Tell me who in Congress has volunteered to released years of tax returns to the public? Bernie Sanders and Nancy Pelosi haven't and they have been in Congress for decades and the majority in Congress. If the IRS has all of his tax returns and they don't have a problem, explain what is he hiding? LOL

Sorry, I'm a Libertarian on this. The government outside of the IRS has no business looking at your tax returns and making 'em public without your consent unless they have a court order in a criminal investigation. You don't have to prove your innocence to the government by surrendering your privacy rights.
 
Old 04-09-2019, 02:09 AM
 
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Text book case of losing an argument.
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No, textbook case of ACCURACY.
Trump is a wannabe dictator and his strongest supporters totalitarians at heart.

Ken
As you can see, TDS is highly contagious.
 
Old 04-09-2019, 02:49 AM
 
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As you can see, TDS is highly contagious.
There are many of us that just want the TRUTH to be available to the American people. Just think, what if this were Obama? Would that be OBS?
 
Old 04-09-2019, 02:57 AM
 
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There are many of us that just want the TRUTH to be available to the American people. Just think, what if this were Obama? Would that be OBS?
Go back and read post 3853 - there is no truth seeking in that post. It's just a lot of juvenile name calling, which can be summed up as "orange man bad". It's pathetic and full on TDS
 
Old 04-09-2019, 03:40 AM
 
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This repeated nonsense of "orange man bad," "TDS," etc. are feeble attempts to distract from the topic at hand -- the Mueller report and why has it still not been released to Congress.

Trump is an old hand at distraction. The recent firings and threats to close the border are obvious attempts to distract from the Mueller report.

It's not going to work.
 
Old 04-09-2019, 03:42 AM
 
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BW, Barr is scheduled to appear before the House Appropriations Committee today about the 2020 DOJ budget.

I'll bet Democrats will ask about the Mueller report, and Republicans will have "no fair" hissy fits.
 
Old 04-09-2019, 04:39 AM
 
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The world is changing at an ever increasing pace. A lot of people are getting left behind through no fault of their own. The decent paying jobs with benefits and pensions their fathers had are long gone but the yearning for the good life is not. They are hurt and angry.

Trump turned their hurt, and anger against Mexicans and Muslims. They're the ones that did this to you. Stealing all the good jobs. Then he promised that he could bring back coal, manufacturing, ... the decent paying jobs with benefits and pensions.

That he is lying to them does not seem to register. Coal is not coming back. Natural gas is cheaper and cleaner and renewable energy is the future.

Automation and computers means that the decent jobs of the future will involve higher level of training and skills than most folks have. Switch careers when necessary. Move to where the jobs are. ... all of this is beyond what many people are capable of.

Retail and service industry jobs were never great paying, but at least you could support a family on one. Not so much now. Also, many of these jobs are being replaced by technology. When was the last time you called a company and got anything but a voice mail with several options and recorded messages? No one is stamping prices on canned goods these days. Online retail is gobbling up brick and mortar stores.

These folks are still going to be voting in 2020. Most don't give a damn about democracy. They want decent jobs.

Mueller's report could lay out evidence that Trump is a traitor handing over classified information to Putin and they wouldn't care.
While I agree with pretty much your entire reply here, the last is, imho, the most significant.

Mr. Trump targeted particular groups of Americans during his campaign & beyond in his Presidency. He boasted about how he knew he was on the right track in marketing his 'brand' to these folks:

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"I could stand in the middle of 5th Avenue and shoot somebody and I wouldn't lose voters."
He may not be gaining supporters now, but he isn't losing the ones he roped in at the beginning.

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The psychological phenomena described below mostly pertain to those supporters who would follow Trump off a cliff. These are the people who will stand by his side no matter what scandals come to light, or what sort of evidence for immoral and illegal behavior surfaces.
Just a few from the link:
  • Practicality Trumps Morality
  • Authoritarian Personality
    "Although authoritarian personality is found among liberals, it is more common among the right-wing around the world. President Trump’s speeches, which are laced with absolutist terms like “losers” and “complete disasters,” are naturally appealing to those with such a personality."
  • Trump’s Conspiracy Theories Target the Mentally Vulnerable
  • The Dunning-Kruger Effect: Humans Often Overestimate Their Political Expertise
  • America’s Obsession with Entertainment and Celebrities
  • Relative Deprivation — A Misguided Sense of Entitlement
    Common explanations for Trump’s popularity among non-bigoted voters involve economics. There is no doubt that some Trump supporters are simply angry that American jobs are being lost to Mexico and China, which is certainly understandable, although these loyalists often ignore the fact that some of these careers are actually being lost due to the accelerating pace of automation.

A Complete Psychological Analysis of Trump's Support

Science can help us make sense of the president's political invincibility.

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/b...trumps-support

To reiterate, personally I agree "Mueller's report could lay out evidence that Trump is a traitor handing over classified information to Putin and they wouldn't care however to ignore (not saying you are because I know that's not true) ... how Trump even got to be president in the first place would be to our Country's further detriment.

How Mr. Trump even became POTUS in the first place is the real hoax, & the biggest scam & con job.

For anyone still reading, take a look at this accurate however light-hearted economic analysis from the brilliant mind of Carlo M. Cipolla:

The Basic Laws of Human Stupidity

The fact that the activity and movements of a stupid creature are absolutely erratic and irrational not only makes defense problematic but it also makes any counter-attack extremely difficult - like trying to shoot at an object which is capable of the most improbable and unimaginable movements. This is what both Dickens and Schiller had in mind when the former stated that "with stupidity and sound digestion man may front much" and the latter wrote that "against stupidity the very Gods fight in vain."
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