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No. Not for all. Just for those without a medically contraindicated reason not to vaccinate. We’re seeing the results of allowing our vaccination rates to fall. Or do you disagree that measles cases and outbreaks are on the rise in the US and many other countries? Do you disagree that the increase is directly related to falling vaccination rates?
To be honest, I think you have a pretty low level of understanding of the issue based on your many posts on this. Our vaccination rates have been pretty stable overall in the US. There have been more outbreaks lately and the reasons are very complex. The outbreaks in Europe play a major role in what’s happening here. The war in Ukraine plays a significant role in the outbreak in Europe which plays a significant role in what’s happening here. The nature of the MMR vaccine also plays a role in what’s happening. Mistrust in pharmaceutical companies (and for good reason) play a role in what’s happening. It’s extremely complex and pointing fingers at “anti-vaxxers’. Shows a low level of understanding and is not going to fix the issue overall.
You’re calling plays from the anti vax playbook despite your kids being vaccinated. That’s why I used the words anti vaxxer. A mother recently posted on FB that people should vaccinate after her baby had the measles. Anti vaxxers attacked her with claims that her child didn’t have the measles and must have been sick from something else. That’s anti vax 101.
“The anti-vax playbook”? C’mon. I’m trying to have a discussion and you’re just trying to discredit rather then think on a deeper level.
There’s a lot of moms who’s healthy kids died of SIDS after being vaccinated who speak up regularly yet I’m sure you’re not concerned about them and believe that there’s no way that vaccines could have possibly caused them to die. It was just coincidence. They just died for no reason at all. They are told they are mistaken. Their concerns dismissed.
Prove that it was “anti vaxxers” attacking the lady who posted on FB.
To be honest, I think you have a pretty low level of understanding of the issue based on your many posts on this. Our vaccination rates have been pretty stable overall in the US. There have been more outbreaks lately and the reasons are very complex. The outbreaks in Europe play a major role in what’s happening here. The war in Ukraine plays a significant role in the outbreak in Europe which plays a significant role in what’s happening here. The nature of the MMR vaccine also plays a role in what’s happening. Mistrust in pharmaceutical companies (and for good reason) play a role in what’s happening. It’s extremely complex and pointing fingers at “anti-vaxxers’. Shows a low level of understanding and is not going to fix the issue overall.
Most outbreaks have been in communities with LOW vaccination rates. The NYC one is centered in a community with a 72.9% rate.
Yes, unvaccinated US citizens are bringing the disease back to the US. From Israel in the case of NYC. Why does Israel have a measles outbreak break? Because of the low vaccination rates among certain Israeli communities. Unvaccinated US travelers are bringing measles to this country in most instances.
So maybe we need to change our travel rules as they pertain to vaccinations? Or we need to have high vaccination rates in all US communities? Or we need to stick our heads in the sand and ignore the increasing measles cases and outbreaks and get more of the same.
Most outbreaks have been in communities with LOW vaccination rates. The NYC one is centered in a community with a 72.9% rate.
Yet no one died in that community. I would assume that the people who chose not to vaccinate knew that their children could get measles and accepted the risk and so far we’ve seen zero deaths. You might not agree with or understand their reasons but that does not means that they are wrong and you are right. Some people choose to rely on their immune system and do things to support that so that it will protect them when sick. It’s ad ifferent viewpoint on health. Again, you may not agree with that but they should that right to make that choice for themselves.
It appears that the Scientology cruise ship only has 1 case of measles. Health officials have boarded and taken blood samples from all 318 people aboard.
Yet no one died in that community. I would assume that the people who chose not to vaccinate knew that their children could get measles and accepted the risk and so far we’ve seen zero deaths. You might not agree with or understand their reasons but that does not means that they are wrong and you are right. Some people choose to rely on their immune system and do things to support that so that it will protect them when sick. It’s ad ifferent viewpoint on health. Again, you may not agree with that but they should that right to make that choice for themselves.
No one has died...... yet. And yes, people have the right to accept risk on the behalf of their children. They should have that right. And they do in all 50 states and the District of Columbia.
But, they don’t have the right to inflict that choice on other parents in the form of their unvaccinated kid being in a daycare with infants too young to be vaccinated. When that happens, they’re removing the choice of other parents not to have their infant potentially exposed to measles. And don’t say a kid with measles should just be kept home. Measles are contagious at least 4 days before the spots appear and prior present like a common cold.
It’s too little too late once a diagnosis of measles is made. Before it is you could have 90% of infants under 1 infected with measles. I’m not OK with that at all.
It appears that the Scientology cruise ship only has 1 case of measles. Health officials have boarded and taken blood samples from all 318 people aboard.
Not one mention of any additional cases.
No, they didn’t take blood from all on board. From your link:
“The Curacao team interviewed around 318 people aboard the ship and took blood samples from some. The samples have been sent to the Netherlands for testing. It is unclear when the results will be returned.”
Prove that it was “anti vaxxers” attacking the lady who posted on FB.
Anti vaxxers post comments claiming vaccines cause autism. They question if the person even had a VPD. Both happened to the Mom in the included link. Or do you think she was attacked by vaccine scientists, pediatricians and people who vaccinate?
Most outbreaks have been in communities with LOW vaccination rates. The NYC one is centered in a community with a 72.9% rate.
Yes, unvaccinated US citizens are bringing the disease back to the US. From Israel in the case of NYC. Why does Israel have a measles outbreak break? Because of the low vaccination rates among certain Israeli communities. Unvaccinated US travelers are bringing measles to this country in most instances.
So maybe we need to change our travel rules as they pertain to vaccinations? Or we need to have high vaccination rates in all US communities? Or we need to stick our heads in the sand and ignore the increasing measles cases and outbreaks and get more of the same.
I am not going to provide links. Far too many. Google it yourself. How do you propose to track every person's vaccination status across state lines? Read about an adult with measles from NYC traveling to NJ who went to an amusement park, bank, restaurant with measles. How do you propose to enforce vaccination status across state lines? These notices are only issued by individual states. Everybody at that amusement park were only NJ residents? Even the Mayor's edict was ONLY for those in certain zip codes, not all 8 million residents. How do you know who traveled in and out of those zip codes; children or adults? It is like finding a needle in a haystack.
Read one report about a 72 year old Florida resident who caught measles while travelling to Asia. He would be presumed immune by the CDC based on his age. Every US Citizen needs a titer test or just get vaccinated? Ca Ching as newtovenice said.
Ending all childhood vaccine exemptions will solve the problem? 10% of the measles cases in the US have been adults; unvaccinated, undervaccinated,or presumed immune.
No one has died...... yet. And yes, people have the right to accept risk on the behalf of their children. They should have that right. And they do in all 50 states and the District of Columbia.
But, they don’t have the right to inflict that choice on other parents in the form of their unvaccinated kid being in a daycare with infants too young to be vaccinated. When that happens, they’re removing the choice of other parents not to have their infant potentially exposed to measles. And don’t say a kid with measles should just be kept home. Measles are contagious at least 4 days before the spots appear and prior present like a common cold.
It’s too little too late once a diagnosis of measles is made. Before it is you could have 90% of infants under 1 infected with measles. I’m not OK with that at all.
What do you propose then? It sounds like you are speaking out of both sides of your mouth. They have the right not to vaccinate but don’t have the right be around other people because there’s a slight, minuscule chance they might have an illness that a vaccine happens to exist for? You want to ban them from society but still believe they have choice? Really confusing stance.
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