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Old 05-21-2019, 04:29 AM
 
Location: Florida
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We should also just let guns be banned and confiscated so we can concentrate on immigration, the economy, the environment and healthcare.
We'll see what the Supreme Court says about guns, and we go from there.
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Old 05-21-2019, 04:56 AM
 
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Since most of America is pro-choice, I would say it would not bode well for the party which achieved the rollback. The women I know don't care to be treated as chattel property and breeding stock.
With the voice of "pro-choice" being the right to electively kill a baby at the end of the third trimester because it's not a baby, I think you over estimate that number.

The modern voice of pro-choice is just as radical as those who want 100% bans.
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Old 05-21-2019, 04:59 AM
 
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When men start dying from childbirth they can have a say.
If it should be 100% the woman's choice, it should be 100% her responsibility and no man should have any responsibility for a child he doesn't want.
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Old 05-21-2019, 10:14 AM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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It would be a huge hit to Women's health, and the ultimate end of the Republican Party's support from most women. Abortions aren't funded by federal dollars, but the treatment of perforated uterus, infections, and multiple other injuries certainly will be covered by public health dollars for a number of people.
The end of life is determined by a lack of a heartbeat....
Logic then must take into account, there is life with a heartbeat.


In these here United States, Society determined before a government existed, All People have a RIGHT to LIFE. We established a Government to protect that Right. Not to protect those that take Life.
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Old 05-21-2019, 10:20 AM
 
Location: Middle of nowhere
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The end of life is determined by a lack of a heartbeat....
Logic then must take into account, there is life with a heartbeat.


In these here United States, Society determined before a government existed, All People have a RIGHT to LIFE. We established a Government to protect that Right. Not to protect those that take Life.
You can keep repeating this, but it is not true. A heart can be stopped during surgery and not beat for an hour, yet that person is not declared dead. A heart can stop and be restarted, that person is not declared dead until the cessation of brain activity. Brain death is clinical death.
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Old 05-21-2019, 11:00 AM
 
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It's possible, yes, but I believe much push back from Dem women, moderate Republican women and Independents will make the party think twice about going down this road.
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Old 05-21-2019, 01:36 PM
 
Location: Washington state
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Good thing no state allow this.
But those are exactly the abortions the state should be allowing in the case of fetuses that won't live beyond a few days because of defects.

You have to remember that the women who will be having those abortions want their babies. It's heartbreaking for them to realize that the baby they waited for so long is going to be born, live in pain for several days, and then die, at a huge cost to the parents in hospital care.

Where is the sense in letting babies like this be born and making the parents go through the anguish of watching their baby die? And also of getting soaked with a hospital bill in the hundreds of thousands of dollars?

Who would be callous enough to force parents to go through this? Let the mother have the abortion and then bury and mourn her fetus the same as she would a baby who was stillborn. Of all the things that no one else has to get involved in, this especially should be between the family and their doctor.

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the claim that an abortion is up to the woman is invalidated as she entered into a partnership with a man and the while it is her body, it is his and her baby.
When a man has sex with a woman, he is already consenting to her getting an abortion if she gets pregnant and doesn't want to continue that pregnancy. If he doesn't want to consent to that, then he needs to keep his zipper up and not have sex with any woman. There. Fixed that for you.

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When men start dying from childbirth they can have a say.
Especially since childbirth is far more dangerous for a woman in the US than having an abortion is.
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Old 05-21-2019, 02:07 PM
 
Location: Ohio
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It's possible, yes,...
No, it's not possible. Get a grip.

It may be restricted, and it should be restricted, but it will never be banned.

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You can keep repeating this, but it is not true. A heart can be stopped during surgery and not beat for an hour, yet that person is not declared dead.
That's because of a machine.

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Men don't carry the baby, so they don't really get a say.
Then women should have no say in child support.
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Old 05-21-2019, 02:09 PM
 
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I always love the "men should have a say" comment. What does "a say" consist of, exactly? What is the compromise when a woman wants to terminate her pregnancy but a man does not want her to? Do it halfway?
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Old 05-21-2019, 02:11 PM
 
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Then women should have no say in child support.

They usually don't, child support is determined by courts. Unless you are referring to a female judge?
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