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Old 06-03-2019, 06:10 AM
 
Location: Minnysoda
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Where do you live, seems like many places in Iowa, Arkansas, Nebraska are breaking records and its been going on for over 2 months. I wouldn't point to one incident as the result of AGW but there are certainly frequent moisture related events impacting not only the US but the world.




Temperatures are increasing globally, period.
Flooding on the Missouri and Mississippi has been a problem for years... Not that I'm denying anything just pointing it out...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mississippi_River_floods

https://semspub.epa.gov/work/07/30022840.pdf



https://www.sos.mo.gov/archives/mdh_...sasters_floods

 
Old 06-03-2019, 01:33 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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Originally Posted by Goodnight View Post
Where do you live, seems like many places in Iowa, Arkansas, Nebraska are breaking records and its been going on for over 2 months. I wouldn't point to one incident as the result of AGW but there are certainly frequent moisture related events impacting not only the US but the world.




Temperatures are increasing globally, period.
breaking records set in 1915, 1930's and 1950's


this is to be expected in an interglacial period


its natural, not man made
 
Old 06-03-2019, 01:38 PM
 
Location: Dallas
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Actually the flooding is the result of climate change.
As are droughts, storms, heat, cold, and even good weather.

Climate change produces weather changes. It's been happening since the beginning of the earth. Everybody knows that.
 
Old 06-03-2019, 01:41 PM
 
Location: Dallas
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Every person I talk to knows the weather is getting weirder, unless you're a climate denier living in his parents basement never seeing the light of day...
Every person I know agrees with climate change. I have never met the "climate deniers" you hang with. Why do you hang with climate deniers?
 
Old 06-03-2019, 01:44 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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Actually the flooding is the result of climate change.
actually the flooding is due to....not climate change... but do to the Army Corp of Engineers and their dikes, dams, levies

Remember The Mississippi River is the longest river in the world and encompasses the third-largest watershed




US Army Corps of Engineers on the river and urban development upriver are the primary causes.
The Corps has shortened, straightened, and channelized the river. This has increased the flow to the lower river. Faster runoff from development upriver has also increased the flow. But the Corps has not increased the discharge to the Gulf to handle the greater flow. So the river rises, backs up, and floods more.
In fact, the discharge to the Gulf has actually decreased. This was confirmed recently by Dr. Hi-Jun Xu, hydrologist at LSU. He said a section of the river bed just below the Old River Control Complex has risen more than 30 feet in the last 20 years. He said it acts like a “stopper” causing the water to back up and rise.
The Corps built the ORCC to keep the Mississippi from changing course down the shorter, steeper Atchafalaya River to the Gulf — and turning the existing main channel below Baton Rouge into a salt water estuary.


https://biggerpieforum.org/projects/...ooding-charts/


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Rain Didn't Cause the Fatal Flooding Along the Mississippi River—We Did

And local governments continue to approve real estate development inside floodplains.


https://psmag.com/environment/rain-d...pi-riverwe-did


Scientists point out that the floods, ... were not natural disasters. “The historical Mississippi River would not have responded in such a profound way to this storm,” says Robert Criss, a hydrologist and geochemist at Washington University. But along with the wing dikes and other navigation structures, we’ve seen local governments continue to approve real estate development inside floodplains. To protect the new buildings, they build higher and stronger levees, which give the river ever less room to expand when the rains come.



“The modern river, highly channelized and almost completely walled off from its floodplain, exhibited a sharp response because the water had nowhere to go but up,” Criss says.

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Old 06-03-2019, 01:50 PM
 
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Originally Posted by Goodnight View Post
Where do you live, seems like many places in Iowa, Arkansas, Nebraska are breaking records and its been going on for over 2 months. I wouldn't point to one incident as the result of AGW but there are certainly frequent moisture related events impacting not only the US but the world.




Temperatures are increasing globally, period.
But we are not in Missouri. Doesn't that meet what you usually call weather? It was far worse here in 1993.
 
Old 06-03-2019, 01:52 PM
 
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Originally Posted by workingclasshero View Post
actually the flooding is due to....not climate change... but do to the Army Corp of Engineers and their dikes, dams, levies






US Army Corps of Engineers on the river and urban development upriver are the primary causes.
The Corps has shortened, straightened, and channelized the river. This has increased the flow to the lower river. Faster runoff from development upriver has also increased the flow. But the Corps has not increased the discharge to the Gulf to handle the greater flow. So the river rises, backs up, and floods more.
In fact, the discharge to the Gulf has actually decreased. This was confirmed recently by Dr. Hi-Jun Xu, hydrologist at LSU. He said a section of the river bed just below the Old River Control Complex has risen more than 30 feet in the last 20 years. He said it acts like a “stopper” causing the water to back up and rise.
The Corps built the ORCC to keep the Mississippi from changing course down the shorter, steeper Atchafalaya River to the Gulf — and turning the existing main channel below Baton Rouge into a salt water estuary.


https://biggerpieforum.org/projects/...ooding-charts/


======================================


Rain Didn't Cause the Fatal Flooding Along the Mississippi River—We Did

And local governments continue to approve real estate development inside floodplains.


https://psmag.com/environment/rain-d...pi-riverwe-did


Scientists point out that the floods, ... were not natural disasters. “The historical Mississippi River would not have responded in such a profound way to this storm,” says Robert Criss, a hydrologist and geochemist at Washington University. But along with the wing dikes and other navigation structures, we’ve seen local governments continue to approve real estate development inside floodplains. To protect the new buildings, they build higher and stronger levees, which give the river ever less room to expand when the rains come.



“The modern river, highly channelized and almost completely walled off from its floodplain, exhibited a sharp response because the water had nowhere to go but up,” Criss says.
Don't forget the thousands of homes being built in the flood plain. In 1993, thousands of homes flooded in the flood plain and were rebuilt. Just stupid.
 
Old 07-22-2019, 11:46 AM
 
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Check out GeoengineeringWatch.org for info on man's manipulation of the weather.
 
Old 07-22-2019, 11:51 AM
 
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https://twitter.com/ClimateSignals/s...36919472922625

It's understandable why some people are slow to accept climate change. It's an abstract concept.
But when it slaps you hard in the face, you better pay attention.


I wonder what his view were prior to the flood?
 
Old 07-22-2019, 11:54 AM
 
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Every person I know agrees with climate change. I have never met the "climate deniers" you hang with. Why do you hang with climate deniers?


Just like the NY liberal who did not understand how Nixon won the '72 election, as "no one he knew voted for him"!


Maybe if you "hung out" with more intelligent people, you might change your views. I am sure that all of your friends are people with advanced degrees in a scientific field and frequently publish in the literature. The likelihood that the are baristas or fast food workers is statistically much higher.
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