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Oh sure, it’s the conservatives that fall in line. Just try disagreeing even a little with a Democrat about socialism, abortion, race and gender garbage or any of their other faggotry.
How do some of my posts get deleted for terms of service issues and this stays?
Big government? Big government like controlling who can marry who or women's reproductive choices? Big government like locking people up for a plant because that plant offends the religious sensibilities of the right?
its the left that is for big government....
the left that pushes a fee/tax to ask PERMISSION to marry (marriage licenses)
the left that PUSHES abortions as the first choice
the left (liberal/democrats) that outlawed cannabis in 1937
The left is for social safety nets. Republicans are for more government intrusion into everyone's private lives to make sure they stay on "God's path."
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the left that pushes a fee/tax to ask PERMISSION to marry (marriage licenses)
No, you want to deny marriage benefits to same-sex couples because your Bible says we are an abomination. It's that simple. Republicans still do not understand that the Constitution, NOT the Bible, is the legal foundation of our society.
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the left that PUSHES abortions as the first choice
Totally not true and you know it. Democrats are for safe and legal abortion. Republicans not only want to ban all abortion under all circumstances but also want to restrict birth control and make it more difficult to adopt, in effort to make sure children grow up in "God fearing" homes.
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the left (liberal/democrats) that outlawed cannabis in 1937
And Republicans are doing everything they can to make sure it stays illegal in an era when the public overwhelmingly supports legalization. Why? To protect the children from the demon reefer, they say.
Conservatives are Tribalism to an extreme. There is a very real reason the left have such a hard time with unity and the Right does not. The Left by and large focus on issues, and many of them are so hung up on different specific issues that they will attack each other as much as they attack the opposing Right.
The Right cares more about loyalty. This fact is why they are so willing to back "their team" even when presented with hard evidence that those individuals act in direct opposition to their supposed values.
You want to know why it doesn't make sense that they cry about things like universal health care, but don't cry about the trillions spent on pointless wars? Because it isn't made to make sense. You will never logic your way out of people who are climate change deniers, deficit apologists, border wall supporters etc. They are thinking on a tribal level, not a logical one.
This fact is because tribalism taps into fundamental conservative beliefs. Conservatives are much more sympathetic to things like authoritarianism, classism, racism, etc. because it is based fundamentally on the idea that some people are simply better than other people. And, often times, those "better people" are frequently people that conservatives can associate with themselves, whether that is "being an American, being a Republican, being a Texan, being white, being a man, being a soldier, being wealthy etc."
So, when a man comes up and says "I am you, but I am the best of you. I am a White, wealthy, American man, and I am here to tell you that Climate change doesn't real." You just accept that as fact because you're not going to crucify one of your own, especially if you believe he is better than you.
This fact is why the left is far more likely to crucify their own over "petty" things. You think Anthony Weiner or Al Franken would be out of office if they were Republicans? When was the last time you saw Republicans call for the resignation of one of their own over a sex scandal, an indictment, a racist past, etc. ? It's not impossible, but it is far from common. They are far more likely to call for their head when they trample on "their side's" policies like Gun control or Abortion.
The "Left" isn't perfect, but it is FAR less susceptible from this tribalism, and it causes them to be fractured. This is why you see nuts on the left tend to be isolated into pockets unable to form a good coalition, because they are typically not immune from criticism from "their own side."
The problem is the Democrats act like the Right has those same standards, but the Right takes advantage of the loyalty of their base, and in brilliant fashion.
Agree or disagree?
Bonus: someone stated “Democrats fall in love, conservatives fall in line”..
Good joke. I almost laughed until I realize that you believe this.
That is one difference between conservatives and leftists. We don't drink the kookade.
We don't support killing unborn humans while wanting laws passed to prevent declawing a cat or having a dog's tail docked.
We don't want illegals to have rights to our tax dollars while our own children are pushed out of schools(which may not be a bad thing) due to so many illegals.
We don't want Americans to have to have to reserve fuel and drive cars the size of a shoe or electric cars while they, leftists, fly to another location for dinner buring fuel foolishly and needlessly.
Leftists stick together all right. They march in lockstep towards anyone that they don't agree with to verbally and physically attack them. Just ask ANTIFA leftist group.
The fact that Barry got through 8 years tells us that the left has no scruples, are cowards and will support another leftist regardless of their background.
I know lots of democrats and all were college professors/government employees: mostly family members. I know lots of republicans, mostly professional colleagues and friends, and all were successful in the private sector. there couldn't be a more obvious difference between the democrats and republicans I know.
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Big government? Big government like controlling who can marry who or women's reproductive choices? Big government like locking people up for a plant because that plant offends the religious sensibilities of the right?
Don't blame the right for the fundamentalists or the religious right, the left has its own fundies too, don't act like they don't. Not all conservatives are for a Westboro Baptist Church flavor of religion.
Conservatives are Tribalism to an extreme. There is a very real reason the left have such a hard time with unity and the Right does not. The Left by and large focus on issues, and many of them are so hung up on different specific issues that they will attack each other as much as they attack the opposing Right.
The Right cares more about loyalty. This fact is why they are so willing to back "their team" even when presented with hard evidence that those individuals act in direct opposition to their supposed values.
You want to know why it doesn't make sense that they cry about things like universal health care, but don't cry about the trillions spent on pointless wars? Because it isn't made to make sense. You will never logic your way out of people who are climate change deniers, deficit apologists, border wall supporters etc. They are thinking on a tribal level, not a logical one.
This fact is because tribalism taps into fundamental conservative beliefs. Conservatives are much more sympathetic to things like authoritarianism, classism, racism, etc. because it is based fundamentally on the idea that some people are simply better than other people. And, often times, those "better people" are frequently people that conservatives can associate with themselves, whether that is "being an American, being a Republican, being a Texan, being white, being a man, being a soldier, being wealthy etc."
So, when a man comes up and says "I am you, but I am the best of you. I am a White, wealthy, American man, and I am here to tell you that Climate change doesn't real." You just accept that as fact because you're not going to crucify one of your own, especially if you believe he is better than you.
This fact is why the left is far more likely to crucify their own over "petty" things. You think Anthony Weiner or Al Franken would be out of office if they were Republicans? When was the last time you saw Republicans call for the resignation of one of their own over a sex scandal, an indictment, a racist past, etc. ? It's not impossible, but it is far from common. They are far more likely to call for their head when they trample on "their side's" policies like Gun control or Abortion.
The "Left" isn't perfect, but it is FAR less susceptible from this tribalism, and it causes them to be fractured. This is why you see nuts on the left tend to be isolated into pockets unable to form a good coalition, because they are typically not immune from criticism from "their own side."
The problem is the Democrats act like the Right has those same standards, but the Right takes advantage of the loyalty of their base, and in brilliant fashion.
Agree or disagree?
Bonus: someone stated “Democrats fall in love, conservatives fall in line”..
okay small point and maybe not significant -- but I note your title says Democrats and conservatives.
You don't say Democrats and Republicans?! That's curious to me
Are you acknowledging that many Republicans aren't really conservatives after all?
It's not mere cynicism to opine, that neither party and neither philosophical orientation has leadership or mouthpieces who are sincere, competent or well-meaning. However, what is the alternative? One might argue, that the present leadership in America is the result of mass-protest and dejection, in that either the one or the other traditional power was tried, and both were found to be lacking. So, a third-way, as it were, was sought. You need no convincing to observe that this third-way leaves something to be desired. Knowing what we know now, at least from present example, we might indeed be better off with some loudmouth charlatan from one or the other of the conventional camps.
You also mention that our political orientation is much contingent on our milieu. This is important. Many of our opinions aren't entirely our own, but instead are absorbed from without. Consider even in this thread, how one or another partisan loudly proclaims that his/her side is rational, serious, deliberative and sound... while the opposite is not merely wrong-headed, but outright no-headed. Sure, some of this is rhetorical flourish. But some is sincere. Do people really believe that their political antagonists are not just misguided, but are outright idiots? Or rather, is this belief absorbed by hearing such a statement repeated in one's particular milieu?
But back to out topic... while both (all?) political persuasions are largely the result of our environment, what we hear, with whom we associate and so forth, well, there is I think one distinction: conservative-thinking is particularly contingent on consideration for one's locals... not merely what they say, but where their interests lie. Liberals are less animated by such local considerations.
In addition to our political orientation being largely influenced by our milieu, it's become very obvious that news sources and social media are pushing people further to the left and the right.
People choose to read things that confirm their biases, so the regular news media, knowing it will get them viewers and readers, will cater to what their audience wants to see and hear. And Facebook's algorithms know which way one leans, and offers up a steady stream of stories and clickbait to appeal to one's pre-existing positions, which serves to reinforce things that people believe...often installing utterly false ideas about what the other side is like.
The right appears to believe that the left is a bunch of angry, violent, screaming SJWs who punch people over hats and insist on total subjugation of white people, and are all for killing babies even right after they are born at full term, Godless perverts besides, promoting a gay agenda, who won't be satisfied until everybody is a pothead vegan in a fursuit. Also that liberals believe that everything should be free, and that they expect "other people" to pay for all of these freebies. And they are girly metrosexual frappe sipping, scarf wearing snowflakes who need safe spaces and cry rooms.
Have I about got it, guys?
The left thinks that the right cares naught for the suffering of living beings capable of suffering (such as refugees and animals) and everything for ideological control. They do not care about women or born children, but are obsessed with protecting embryos so long as they are in a womb, which looks a lot like they're more about grinningly getting up in a woman's private sexual business, like uterus trolls simply out to shame people. Also, the left thinks that the right is like, "Rape, is it even a thing, really?" That they are all rednecks, ignorant, from states with low standard of living, the worst education, most STIs, highest infant and mother mortality rates. Schoolyard bullies, essentially, who fly into a rage when anything does not prioritize wealthy white men at the absolute top of the heap, and who want to stamp out anyone who isn't willing or able to live the wholesome, whitebread, imaginary 1950s TV "MAGA ya'll" lifestyle. Who resort to name calling in every argument, and whose reality revolves around country music, cheap beer, guns and dogs and "git off muh lawn." White supremacists and religious nuts at worst, rich white people who want to keep getting richer at everyone else's expense, at best. Slave toadies to their corporate overlords, convinced that militaristic America is the global version of a cowboy in a white hat. Oh and that their political and evangelical leaders, very frequently get busted in gay sex scandals, prostitution and human trafficking activities, child porn and rape...so all the "We're the God fearing good guys" talk is hot air hypocrisy of the worst kind. That they're the violent ones, with the intense love of guns and the mass shooters and alt-right and Nazis. Oh, and if conservatives are getting laid, it's probably the most boring sex you could imagine.
Now that... That probably sounds like a whole lotta fightin' words, doesn't it? My social media feeds are chock-full of story after story that paints that picture. But you know what? I don't really believe that either side of this fence is getting the real deal at all. I think that there are idiots and geniuses in all areas of the political spectrum with all kinds of various motivations. And we all think we're right, for reasons that we think are good. But I often think that underneath the clickbait and the outrage-mongering of the day, there seems to be a bigger endgame, which I've gome to believe is the division of this country into smaller countries. I should lay wagers with my friends that efforts to make this happen somehow, are going to come about in my lifetime.
I know lots of democrats and all were college professors/government employees: mostly family members. I know lots of republicans, mostly professional colleagues and friends, and all were successful in the private sector. there couldn't be a more obvious difference between the democrats and republicans I know.
Hmm, interesting. Politically ideology be damned, I'd much rather be a college professor than a corporate drone.
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