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Old 06-06-2019, 04:44 PM
 
Location: Morrison, CO
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Hmm, interesting. Politically ideology be damned, I'd much rather be a college professor than a corporate drone.
Sure. No accountability. Just what Libs want. Utopian fantasies.

 
Old 06-06-2019, 04:48 PM
 
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Hmm, interesting. Politically ideology be damned, I'd much rather be a college professor than a corporate drone.
Academia is riddled with massive corruption, professors have not seen an increase in wages, and only look forward to tenure if they manage to stamp out their fellow cohorts. They play favorites basically through money under the table or sexual favors while indoctrinating future generations to despise the system because they can't handle seeing deans making a quarter million a year. Professors aren't businessmen, and the college environment is a business whether people like to admit it or not, otherwise their rankings would be similar to Mexico's.
 
Old 06-06-2019, 05:08 PM
 
Location: 500 miles from home
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In addition to our political orientation being largely influenced by our milieu, it's become very obvious that news sources and social media are pushing people further to the left and the right.

People choose to read things that confirm their biases, so the regular news media, knowing it will get them viewers and readers, will cater to what their audience wants to see and hear. And Facebook's algorithms know which way one leans, and offers up a steady stream of stories and clickbait to appeal to one's pre-existing positions, which serves to reinforce things that people believe...often installing utterly false ideas about what the other side is like.

The right appears to believe that the left is a bunch of angry, violent, screaming SJWs who punch people over hats and insist on total subjugation of white people, and are all for killing babies even right after they are born at full term, Godless perverts besides, promoting a gay agenda, who won't be satisfied until everybody is a pothead vegan in a fursuit. Also that liberals believe that everything should be free, and that they expect "other people" to pay for all of these freebies. And they are girly metrosexual frappe sipping, scarf wearing snowflakes who need safe spaces and cry rooms.

Have I about got it, guys?

The left thinks that the right cares naught for the suffering of living beings capable of suffering (such as refugees and animals) and everything for ideological control. They do not care about women or born children, but are obsessed with protecting embryos so long as they are in a womb, which looks a lot like they're more about grinningly getting up in a woman's private sexual business, like uterus trolls simply out to shame people. Also, the left thinks that the right is like, "Rape, is it even a thing, really?" That they are all rednecks, ignorant, from states with low standard of living, the worst education, most STIs, highest infant and mother mortality rates. Schoolyard bullies, essentially, who fly into a rage when anything does not prioritize wealthy white men at the absolute top of the heap, and who want to stamp out anyone who isn't willing or able to live the wholesome, whitebread, imaginary 1950s TV "MAGA ya'll" lifestyle. Who resort to name calling in every argument, and whose reality revolves around country music, cheap beer, guns and dogs and "git off muh lawn." White supremacists and religious nuts at worst, rich white people who want to keep getting richer at everyone else's expense, at best. Slave toadies to their corporate overlords, convinced that militaristic America is the global version of a cowboy in a white hat. Oh and that their political and evangelical leaders, very frequently get busted in gay sex scandals, prostitution and human trafficking activities, child porn and rape...so all the "We're the God fearing good guys" talk is hot air hypocrisy of the worst kind. That they're the violent ones, with the intense love of guns and the mass shooters and alt-right and Nazis. Oh, and if conservatives are getting laid, it's probably the most boring sex you could imagine.

Now that... That probably sounds like a whole lotta fightin' words, doesn't it? My social media feeds are chock-full of story after story that paints that picture. But you know what? I don't really believe that either side of this fence is getting the real deal at all. I think that there are idiots and geniuses in all areas of the political spectrum with all kinds of various motivations. And we all think we're right, for reasons that we think are good. But I often think that underneath the clickbait and the outrage-mongering of the day, there seems to be a bigger endgame, which I've gome to believe is the division of this country into smaller countries. I should lay wagers with my friends that efforts to make this happen somehow, are going to come about in my lifetime.
You got it exactly right and this forum is a prime example.


We should all spend far less time on social media. I decided Instagram would be my positive place and, as of right now, it's mainly filled with Westies, Yorkies, and a handful of friends. ZERO politics. Lotsa cute pictures.
 
Old 06-06-2019, 05:11 PM
 
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Conservatives are Tribalism to an extreme. There is a very real reason the left have such a hard time with unity and the Right does not. The Left by and large focus on issues, and many of them are so hung up on different specific issues that they will attack each other as much as they attack the opposing Right.

The Right cares more about loyalty. This fact is why they are so willing to back "their team" even when presented with hard evidence that those individuals act in direct opposition to their supposed values.

You want to know why it doesn't make sense that they cry about things like universal health care, but don't cry about the trillions spent on pointless wars? Because it isn't made to make sense. You will never logic your way out of people who are climate change deniers, deficit apologists, border wall supporters etc. They are thinking on a tribal level, not a logical one.

This fact is because tribalism taps into fundamental conservative beliefs. Conservatives are much more sympathetic to things like authoritarianism, classism, racism, etc. because it is based fundamentally on the idea that some people are simply better than other people. And, often times, those "better people" are frequently people that conservatives can associate with themselves, whether that is "being an American, being a Republican, being a Texan, being white, being a man, being a soldier, being wealthy etc."

So, when a man comes up and says "I am you, but I am the best of you. I am a White, wealthy, American man, and I am here to tell you that Climate change doesn't real." You just accept that as fact because you're not going to crucify one of your own, especially if you believe he is better than you.

This fact is why the left is far more likely to crucify their own over "petty" things. You think Anthony Weiner or Al Franken would be out of office if they were Republicans? When was the last time you saw Republicans call for the resignation of one of their own over a sex scandal, an indictment, a racist past, etc. ? It's not impossible, but it is far from common. They are far more likely to call for their head when they trample on "their side's" policies like Gun control or Abortion.

The "Left" isn't perfect, but it is FAR less susceptible from this tribalism, and it causes them to be fractured. This is why you see nuts on the left tend to be isolated into pockets unable to form a good coalition, because they are typically not immune from criticism from "their own side."

The problem is the Democrats act like the Right has those same standards, but the Right takes advantage of the loyalty of their base, and in brilliant fashion.


Agree or disagree?

Bonus: someone stated “Democrats fall in love, conservatives fall in line”..
This guy really, really believes his own BS. LOL.
 
Old 06-06-2019, 05:11 PM
 
Location: 500 miles from home
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Academia is riddled with massive corruption, professors have not seen an increase in wages, and only look forward to tenure if they manage to stamp out their fellow cohorts. They play favorites basically through money under the table or sexual favors while indoctrinating future generations to despise the system because they can't handle seeing deans making a quarter million a year. Professors aren't businessmen, and the college environment is a business whether people like to admit it or not, otherwise their rankings would be similar to Mexico's.
Academia is every bit as corrupt as Corporate America.


But there still are professors with a passion for teaching. Maybe just the young ones; I don't know. My son is a grad student teaching freshman English and he loves it. He's good at it. But he does say that Academia is filled with lots of pretension, etc. He hopes to teach, one day, at a Community college instead of a big, state college.


But Academia is no more corrupt than American business and/or American government.
 
Old 06-06-2019, 05:15 PM
 
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Academia is every bit as corrupt as Corporate America.


But there still are professors with a passion for teaching. Maybe just the young ones; I don't know. My son is a grad student teaching freshman English and he loves it. He's good at it. But he does say that Academia is filled with lots of pretension, etc. He hopes to teach, one day, at a Community college instead of a big, state college.


But Academia is no more corrupt than American business and/or American government.
A lot of this recent pretension was exported to us from the rest of the world. Take led daytime running lamps, because Germany mandated all cars have them, now we have them too. But unlike Germany our cars are not newer because of higher taxes on older cars and more thorough and expensive inspections. There wasn't anything wrong with a lower volted high beam halogen used as drl's.

I think the world figured out it's a good way to socially engineer Americans in negative ways. A life-hack to drive divides in American society so long as they keep inventing new trends that are out of reach to most Americans, like smart toilets or bathtubs or crazy high tech kitchens.
 
Old 06-06-2019, 05:16 PM
 
Location: Planet Telex
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My son is a grad student teaching freshman English and he loves it. He's good at it. But he does say that Academia is filled with lots of pretension, etc. He hopes to teach, one day, at a Community college instead of a big, state college.
Is he teaching "utopian fantasies" like Pilot1 suggested these professors are doing?
 
Old 06-07-2019, 01:10 AM
 
Location: Santa Monica
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I think there’s some truth to that (I have a wide range of friends and family politically, and the feelers are mostly on the left ), but also want to point out that tons of people on both sides ultimately throw out the reason and evidence if the result isn’t what they like.
I think it's more complex than that. Or simpler if you really look at it.

Team Red is just as unprincipled, violent, and emotional as Team Blue. They just hide it better because they have the luxury of using specific outcomes as a crutch for their insecurities (best example is being pro-choice via State force but then abandoning the human). Team Blue's crutch to cover up is more people-driven (if you've ever been "victimized" you have extra rights).

Both have deep-seated fear. That can't be denied. These are the same people who, outside of politics, have the ability to understand and embrace morality and logic in all human interactions. But once you introduce "politics" into the equation the rules magically change.
 
Old 06-07-2019, 01:50 AM
 
Location: Flippin AR
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The difference between Democrats and Conservatives is this:

Democrat voters are good-hearted people who are ruled by an amoral Democrat / Progressive aristocracy that manipulates them to gain power and control of the nation, using the psychology of religion. The aristocracy makes followers feel part of the group of "good guys," and create causes & policies that make the followers feel good about themselves (regardless of the real effect), while actually serving to consolidate the power of the ruling Upper Class. For Democrats, the ends justify the means, and discrediting the other side via name-calling, false labels, and "straw man" arguments is how business is done. Like all religions, leaders are blindly followed and idolized regardless of what they do - Obama being the perfect example. And as in all religions, followers cannot respond to (or even hear) logic and facts, since adherence to the "holy" in-group is the only thing that matters. A key fault is that Democrat voters NEVER take into account human nature when pushing new programs -- they cannot see that paying people to sit at home and breed children will increase the percent of the population doing that, while decreasing the percent working for a living (and paying for the former). Similarly, they care deeply about eradicating the social stigma that used to be associated with single motherhood, while ignoring the fact that by doing so they are condemning countless additional children to a lifetime of poverty, crime and psychological pain resulting from being raised in a home without 2 parents.

Conservatives have their own religion (or non-religious philosophy) that is separate from their political views, and thus their support of various policies and causes depends on their principles, plus what effect passing a law or implementing a program will have in the real world, the costs vs benefits of adoption, analysis of the unintended consequences, etc. Since their political views are NOT their religion, and being part of the "in-group" is not their concern, they can typically look at proposals for government action with some objectivity. Most importantly, they incorporate an understanding of human nature into their decision to support or not support a new proposal. Conservatives do NOT support their leaders without reservation and blind themselves to their leaders' shortcomings - they will stop supporting a candidate as soon as they see bad behavior or a failure to do a good job representing the electorate.
 
Old 06-07-2019, 05:24 AM
 
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Conservatives are Tribalism to an extreme. There is a very real reason the left have such a hard time with unity and the Right does not. The Left by and large focus on issues, and many of them are so hung up on different specific issues that they will attack each other as much as they attack the opposing Right.

The Right cares more about loyalty. This fact is why they are so willing to back "their team" even when presented with hard evidence that those individuals act in direct opposition to their supposed values.

You want to know why it doesn't make sense that they cry about things like universal health care, but don't cry about the trillions spent on pointless wars? Because it isn't made to make sense. You will never logic your way out of people who are climate change deniers, deficit apologists, border wall supporters etc. They are thinking on a tribal level, not a logical one.

This fact is because tribalism taps into fundamental conservative beliefs. Conservatives are much more sympathetic to things like authoritarianism, classism, racism, etc. because it is based fundamentally on the idea that some people are simply better than other people. And, often times, those "better people" are frequently people that conservatives can associate with themselves, whether that is "being an American, being a Republican, being a Texan, being white, being a man, being a soldier, being wealthy etc."

So, when a man comes up and says "I am you, but I am the best of you. I am a White, wealthy, American man, and I am here to tell you that Climate change doesn't real." You just accept that as fact because you're not going to crucify one of your own, especially if you believe he is better than you.

This fact is why the left is far more likely to crucify their own over "petty" things. You think Anthony Weiner or Al Franken would be out of office if they were Republicans? When was the last time you saw Republicans call for the resignation of one of their own over a sex scandal, an indictment, a racist past, etc. ? It's not impossible, but it is far from common. They are far more likely to call for their head when they trample on "their side's" policies like Gun control or Abortion.

The "Left" isn't perfect, but it is FAR less susceptible from this tribalism, and it causes them to be fractured. This is why you see nuts on the left tend to be isolated into pockets unable to form a good coalition, because they are typically not immune from criticism from "their own side."

The problem is the Democrats act like the Right has those same standards, but the Right takes advantage of the loyalty of their base, and in brilliant fashion.


Agree or disagree?

Bonus: someone stated “Democrats fall in love, conservatives fall in line”..
"Interesting comment I came across about the differences between democrats and conservatives.."

If you are going to post "something I came across" you have to give the source also.



I could take several of your "opinions" which is all t is, and swap Conservative with democrats (why didn't you use LIBERAL instead of democrats?) and visa versa and be just as "accurate".
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