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Old 06-30-2019, 08:42 AM
 
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Well, the US has spent decades meddling, staging coups, killing oppositions etc etc of their favorite Dictator. So, many of the instability the various US governments has created, have to take their blame.


So, many of them are fleeing from the mess the US created going back decades...
It never fails to amaze me how many people have such a warped view of America and how they blame all the ills of the world on us.
They must have been brainwashed in the public school system to believe America is a force of evil, thus grow up as hateful malcontents.

While we have been involved in other countries affairs, in most instances we have tried to do the right thing, such as thwarting the spread of communism.
People can say it is not out affair, and to some extent they are correct. However we know that communism leads to destruction anyway, so we try to head off the inevitable before it can effect others, and becomes an eventual threat to freedom.

That said, where we have had a hand in creating unintended consequences, we should use effort to help clean up the mess if what has happened should have been a potential outcome.


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Old 06-30-2019, 09:28 AM
 
Location: In the house we finally own!
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The child was a twenty-three month old little girl, Valeria, who drowned with her father, Oscar, as has been widely reported.

How desperate they must have been, to take such a risk...
According to the wife, they were coming here to make money to build a new house in their home country, not to escape anything.
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Old 06-30-2019, 09:31 AM
 
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According to the wife, they were coming here to make money to build a new house in their home country, not to escape anything.
And that's the case for most of these bogus asylum claimants. Well sorry, but poverty and wanting a better life are not viable reasons to claim asylum in our country.
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Old 06-30-2019, 09:35 AM
 
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The child was a twenty-three month old little girl, Valeria, who drowned with her father, Oscar, as has been widely reported.

[b]How desperate they must have been, to take such a risk...
And, that they're desperate is our fault how exactly? They could have sought asylum in Mexico in relative safety, as they are supposed to under the international asylum system.
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Old 06-30-2019, 09:51 AM
 
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You should read reports a bit more thorough, also, I find your comments a bit short sighted ...
"It is also worth noting that illegal immigrants overall are significantly more educated than we reported in an earlier analysis, which focused only on illegal border-crossers."

So seeing that, quick search and present date:

U.S. unauthorized immigrants are more proficient in English, more educated than a decade ago

Education levels of U.S. immigrants are on the rise


Yes, everyone knows the Asians bring up the average.

From your links:

Unauthorized Immigrants

High school graduation or less

81.2% Mexico
74.6% Central America (who is flooding our borders)

vs. 52.1% S. & East Asia



English Proficiency:

22% Northern Triangle (Guatemala, El Salvador, Honduras)
25% Mexico
43% Other Latin America
54% Asia
69% Other Region

Total Unauthorized Immigrant English Proficiency - 34%

Total Authorized Immigrant Proficiency - 57%
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Old 06-30-2019, 10:13 AM
 
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As a person who usually votes for Democrats in most elections, I watched the candidates for President try to outdo each other with compassion for migrants. From what I can tell most of them think America should have an open border for people who are suffering and live in poverty all over the world.

I think about 3 billion people around the world live in poverty and most also live in places where they suffer from political and religious persecution. It is tough out there for citizens of the world. Especially in Southeast Asia, Latin America, and Africa.

Right now millions of people are doing everything they can to make it to our Southern Border. An ever-increasing number are coming from Africa and flying to countries in Latin America that don't require a Visa to visit. From there they are making their way slowly to our border, risking their lives. Countless people are coming from Central America and places like Haiti and Cuba.

I FEEL SORRY FOR ALL OF THEM. But should we only let in those people who can make it to our border? How about the billion-plus suffering people from Asia and Africa who can't come up with the money to make it to our Southern Border? Don't they deserve to come here too?

How many suffering world citizens should we let into America each year? How about 10 million, 20 million, 50 million? (But don't you know that would be a fraction of the total who would come here if they could?) How are we going to pay for the welfare and language programs that will be needed to get these fine migrants up to speed in America?

Again, this question is for Democrats who support the liberal candidates who want to eliminate our border patrol and be generous to the world's poor.
I'm no Democrat but I say you can get along with these people if you try. America began with Europeans of all backgrounds and now the Asians who follow along closely with Europeans. I doubt there will be much of a problem from immigrants from Mexico/South America or other like peoples and nations. They will adapt much quicker to the lifestyle since they are adequate in modern job fields. The only group in large numbers not quite a good fit for European/Asian societies - and those cultures are not a good fit for that group - are people of African heritage. History has proven it.
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Old 08-01-2019, 11:05 AM
 
Location: Silicon Valley
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In Chicago, there was a cycle for neighborhoods. They were built up really nice and made desirable, attracting the young dual income families that stabilized in an area and made neighborhood traditions and institutions.

For the more successful ones that had great communities, these areas would really become exclusive and more desirable as people wanted to be a part of the community from outside the area and the many of the current residents wanted to remain. The neighborhood builds up, prices go up and competition sets in. Not everyone can own, so some start renting.

At peak, the desirable neighborhood is really quite expensive for anyone to still live as their own home. Most of the neighborhood has apartments or condos.

As renters float in and out of a neighborhood, they invest little into the traditions that made the neighborhood and nothing into the properties owned by their absentee landlords. The neighborhood begins to decline.

After a breaking point absentee landlords no longer see a return on their money for fixing places up. Properties fall into disrepair, compounding the problem. The neighborhood becomes a slum with no residents having equity. This becomes the low point in the cycle.

If there are any inherent traits to a neighborhood, you may have brave new DINK families decide the cost benefit is worthy and start moving into a ghetto. Enough come to support the first coffee place, overtaking the old worn out bar...a grocery store opens and suddenly there's flashes of hip in the next up and coming neighborhood. (Repeat cycle)

This correlates because the worst type of immigrant is an illegal one seeking money. A refugee is looking to found a new home. A student, and education. Both are attracted or at least compelled to an area. The money seeking illegal is not going to invest into a community....they are seeking money to return to their own community. While that alone is not enough to completely disallow them, there is damage done while they are here. They can't drive legally. They can't get a license. They don't get insurance. They can't meaningfully participate in the neighborhood. They will not become American because their goal is to become a wealthier citizen of whatever country they are from.

Refugees are people that have given up on their homeland. They have less to work with but are much more committed to a new area. Even in white-washed South Dakota, I look at Huron, SD as a success story of a minority run out of Burma being a success story of a displaced group finding a new home. Contrast that with many of the companies here in Silicon Valley, where someone takes over a group and legions of foreign vendors or HB1 visa holders suddenly fill the ranks of the respective departments. And why not...it's free money. Come, take a ride, and when the party's over we'll all head back to wherever and live very well. One company I consulted with (Publicly traded) literally had their job search posting in a back corner next to the janitor closet. The jobs were different than the ones posted, and eventually they would be filled with some cronies from a homeland.

As for immigrants that will break the law right upon entry. There should be 0. As for people that want to move to the country and become Americans, there should be plenty of spots.

Be forewarned however. The socialists are strongly supporting open borders. The easiest way for a very populous Communist country to defeat the United States is simply to open the borders and send a hundred million or so future voters to an area....overrunning it without a single shot fired. That's the national interest, not racial prejudice.
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Old 08-01-2019, 11:20 AM
 
Location: On the Beach
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As a person who usually votes for Democrats in most elections, I watched the candidates for President try to outdo each other with compassion for migrants. From what I can tell most of them think America should have an open border for people who are suffering and live in poverty all over the world.

I think about 3 billion people around the world live in poverty and most also live in places where they suffer from political and religious persecution. It is tough out there for citizens of the world. Especially in Southeast Asia, Latin America, and Africa.

Right now millions of people are doing everything they can to make it to our Southern Border. An ever-increasing number are coming from Africa and flying to countries in Latin America that don't require a Visa to visit. From there they are making their way slowly to our border, risking their lives. Countless people are coming from Central America and places like Haiti and Cuba.

I FEEL SORRY FOR ALL OF THEM. But should we only let in those people who can make it to our border? How about the billion-plus suffering people from Asia and Africa who can't come up with the money to make it to our Southern Border? Don't they deserve to come here too?

How many suffering world citizens should we let into America each year? How about 10 million, 20 million, 50 million? (But don't you know that would be a fraction of the total who would come here if they could?) How are we going to pay for the welfare and language programs that will be needed to get these fine migrants up to speed in America?

Again, this question is for Democrats who support the liberal candidates who want to eliminate our border patrol and be generous to the world's poor.
I am a life long democrat and considered to the Left on many issues but I share your concerns. While I abhor Trump’s record on dealing with illegal immigration, we desperately need comprehensive immigration reform. And the idea of decriminalizing illegal entry is a recipe for disaster. The recent democratic debates are vey discouraging for me. I want a candidate who is strong on climate change as I believe this to be the biggest priority the world is facing and failing miserably to address. But in addition to a strong response to climate change I’m looking for a candidate who recognizes that we cannot have open borders, that we cannot save all the suffering in the world. No one wants to see people suffer but we are one country and we cannot open our arms to all the people fleeing dire circumstances. We need a concerted effort with other nations to address the problems in countries overrun with crime and corruption. There has got to be a moderate who has a common sense approach to both of these issues. But I have yet to hear from him her.
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Old 08-01-2019, 11:24 AM
 
Location: King County, WA
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The statistics show that we're at a historical high in terms of the share of the population being foreign-born. For most of the US history it's been below 15%. I could see a restriction in immigration happening in the next couple of decades, if only to improve assimilation.

https://www.migrationpolicy.org/arti...-united-states

See fig. 1. On the plus side, the education level of recent immigrants is way up.
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Old 08-01-2019, 01:38 PM
 
Location: North Pacific
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Are you talking about legal or illegal immigrants? Your comment about "presently waiting in dentition centers all across the u.s. to be released." Sounds to me like you are talking only about illegals, so that's what I was referring to. Your own link says that 58% of illegal aliens coming from the Northern Triangle, which is where most of them come from, don't have a high school education. This is exactly the immigration we don't need.

I also find your comments very short sighted, as you don't seem to care what kind of a country future generations will live in. Importing the third world indefinitely will completely destroy any chance of having a reasonably sustainable future for our natural resources, and unskilled immigrants take more out of the economy than they put in.



Nicola Tesla came here in 1884, when the US had only 55 million people. There's over 320 million now. A 19th century immigration policy- when the government spent nothing on welfare, SS, health care, education, housing, ect is a great way to bankrupt a country in the 21st century.
And you never answered the question, how exactly is dumping a bunch of immigrants in dying towns going to do them any good?
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Nicola Tesla came here in 1884, when the US had only 55 million people. There's over 320 million now. A 19th century immigration policy- when the government spent nothing on welfare, SS, health care, education, housing, ect is a great way to bankrupt a country in the 21st century.
No new innovative technologies, because people coming here penniless, we can not afford them now. So enjoy whatcha got, cause you ain't get 'en nothing else. They're penniless, so they can't be that smart. So America isn't loosing anything by not investing in these people.
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And you never answered the question, how exactly is dumping a bunch of immigrants in dying towns going to do them any good?
Immigrants as Economic Contributors: Immigrant Entrepreneurs
"Immigrants play an increasingly pivotal role in the U.S. economy. They are overrepresented in our labor force, relative to their share of the population, but they also have a higher propensity to launch businesses, compared to those born in the United States. " [my emphasis answers question]
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I also find your comments very short sighted, as you don't seem to care what kind of a country future generations will live in.
Way back ...

Early Settlements

Poor people settled here from ---hole countries and look what they did to the place. America will never, ever see economic wealth if they keep doing this, this way.



Here is a list of companies you need to boycott in order to protest immigration:


How Immigrants Have Made America a Leader in Technology Innovation


Google, Yahoo, eBay, Qualcomm, VMware, Facebook ...


^^^ they may have taken handouts ... bad people.
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Are you talking about legal or illegal immigrants?
Does it matter? The only difference between one or the other is a judge.
#endrant
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