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Old 06-27-2019, 07:45 PM
 
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Whatever the Congress agrees upon as far as a full comprehensive immigration reform package......

is my answer....

Of course, that is very inconvenient since the GOP refused to do anything of the sort ever...well, ever since Reagan signed his full amnesty program.

A nation of laws....first. You can't have a border without laws...you can't really have a decent democratic republic either.
Of course the GOP isn't going to agree if the DEM's plans are effectively open borders, no matter what they might say to the contrary. If anyone who says asylum gets let in and then they can't be deported even if their asylum claims are denied, how is it not open borders? The left is fighting even criminals from being deported.

We have laws now that the left is fighting to not be enforced, including the deportation of those whose asylum claims have been denied. If the Dems aren't for open borders, what limitations are they allowing for? Right now I can't see any.
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Old 06-27-2019, 07:49 PM
 
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Republican here. I do agree with fixing the legal requirements for citizenship because it takes way too long. I am also for people coming here on green cards or asylum. Some states could use a population boost!
You do know what's a viable reason to claim asylum don't you? Poverty and violence aren't two of them. We don't need any more population growth at this time. We should boost population in some states just because? If those states are undesirable then they will be undesirable to newcomers to at least till they get on their feet and move on to the more populated and desirable states to live in. This isn't about citizenship so why even bring that up? This about how many poor Third World persons should we allow into our country. I say none! They are a burden to our society.
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Old 06-27-2019, 07:55 PM
 
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Of course the GOP isn't going to agree if the DEM's plans are effectively open borders, no matter what they might say to the contrary. If anyone who says asylum gets let in and then they can't be deported even if their asylum claims are denied, how is it not open borders? The left is fighting even criminals from being deported.

We have laws now that the left is fighting to not be enforced, including the deportation of those whose asylum claims have been denied. If the Dems aren't for open borders, what limitations are they allowing for? Right now I can't see any.
Not only that but the Democrats want to give a giant amnesty cloaked under the PC fake term "reform" to nearly all illegals in this country. We tried that under Reagan and he lived to regret it and now we have at least quadruple the number of illegal aliens here today. The border was never secured. Fool me once.......

How are Americans to get their jobs back if this huge amnesty occurs? You know, like their once good paying construction and commercial landscaping jobs just for starters? Liberals hearts only bleed for these law breakers while they don't give a damn about the negative impacts of illegal immigration to their fellow citizens and instead want to reward these law breakers with another amnesty.
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Old 06-27-2019, 08:06 PM
 
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If the Dems win in 2020 word will quickly spread and there will be tens of millions arriving each year. The crisis at the border we have now is a drop in the bucket to what's coming once the borders are defacto wide open. There are hundreds of millions that will come if they can find a way to make it to the border.[/QUOTE]

During the great Recession illegal immigration dropped. so the good part(sarcasm here) if the dems win the economy is likely to take a big downtown. We have been on an upswing for years now and one is due the Dems winning and pushing higher taxes, free this, free that, will likely push us over the age. Jobs go away so will a lot of the drive for illegals to come. Hey perhaps we can go to Canada and apply for Asylum, of course they have some tough laws to immigrate there.
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Old 06-27-2019, 08:20 PM
 
Location: Cali
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Republican here. I do agree with fixing the legal requirements for citizenship because it takes way too long. I am also for people coming here on green cards or asylum. Some states could use a population boost!
We are still doing that. There are one million LEGAL immigrants call US home every year.

My wife is one of them. She came to the US (legally) last year.
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Old 06-27-2019, 08:23 PM
 
Location: Sarasota FL
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There are 7.7 billion people worldwide. The U.S. allows 1.1 million enter the U.S. legally. That's 3000 people EVERY DAY. This doesn't include tens of thousands of 'vacation' VISA over stay people. Any person that can get to Mexico can cross the border illegally.
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Old 06-27-2019, 09:11 PM
 
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Old 06-27-2019, 09:27 PM
 
Location: North Pacific
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As a person who usually votes for Democrats in most elections, I watched the candidates for President try to outdo each other with compassion for migrants. From what I can tell most of them think America should have an open border for people who are suffering and live in poverty all over the world.

I think about 3 billion people around the world live in poverty and most also live in places where they suffer from political and religious persecution. It is tough out there for citizens of the world. Especially in Southeast Asia, Latin America, and Africa.

Right now millions of people are doing everything they can to make it to our Southern Border. An ever-increasing number are coming from Africa and flying to countries in Latin America that don't require a Visa to visit. From there they are making their way slowly to our border, risking their lives. Countless people are coming from Central America and places like Haiti and Cuba.

I FEEL SORRY FOR ALL OF THEM. But should we only let in those people who can make it to our border? How about the billion-plus suffering people from Asia and Africa who can't come up with the money to make it to our Southern Border? Don't they deserve to come here too?

How many suffering world citizens should we let into America each year? How about 10 million, 20 million, 50 million? (But don't you know that would be a fraction of the total who would come here if they could?) How are we going to pay for the welfare and language programs that will be needed to get these fine migrants up to speed in America?

Again, this question is for Democrats who support the liberal candidates who want to eliminate our border patrol and be generous to the world's poor.
Do people know many are business owners who migrate from their country of birth; they've exhausted their resources?

"That a man ought not to be a slave; that he should not be confined against his will to a particular spot because he happened to draw his first breath upon it; that he should not be compelled to continue in a society to which he is accidentally attached, when he can better his situation elsewhere, much less when he must starve in one country, and may live comfortably in another, are positions which I hold as strongly as any man, and they are such as most nations in the world appear clearly to recognize."
~ Justice James Iredell ~

More displaced people to come ...

Human migration sparked by wars, disasters, and now climate

"And at the end of the Vietnam War, over 125,000 people from Vietnam migrated to the United States in the face of a humanitarian crisis.

They weren’t the last: Migration continues in the 21st century, driven by famine, natural disasters, and human rights abuses. Beginning in 2013, migrants from North Africa and the Middle East began to move in increasingly larger numbers into Europe, seeking to escape poverty and political instability in their homelands. The migrant crisis stretched European resources thin, fueling xenophobia and frustration even in welcoming states. And hundreds of thousands of Rohingya people have been forced to migrate to Bangladesh from Myanmar despite centuries of history in their homeland.
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How are we going to pay for the welfare and language programs that will be needed to get these fine migrants up to speed in America?
They [migrants are people too] will work (become u.s. slaves like the rest of us) and they will pay their taxes, therefore they will be paying for the needed increase in programs that are already available in the u.s. that addresses this issue. Stop me if I'm wrong --- job creation? Oh wow, there's a
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Many people just keep ignoring the fact that the USA is an over-crowded life boat. Pretty soon it will sink.
US population growth hits 80-year low, capping off a year of demographic stagnation


While you mule that ^ over, not a sinking ship. The only reason the u.s. is not experiencing an under population problem other countries are faced with is because of immigration. Without immigrants, due to low birth rates, the u.s. would not have the [slaves] tax payers that it has today.

United States Population 2019

United States Population in 2050

"The United States population is expected to rise to 438 million in 2050. This projection is based on the assumption that currently observed population trends will continue into the future. 82% of this population growth between 2005 and 2050 is predicted to be from immigrants and their descendants. This equals out to 67 million people added to the population from immigrants, 47 million people added from second generation immigrants, and 3 million added from third generation immigrants. In total, 19% of the country’s residents are expected to be foreign born." (my emphasis)

Quick, how to cut population growth 82% and thereby decreasing u.s. GDP so as to insure the u.s. becomes a failed nation in 2050?
Answer, stop the flow of immigrants into the u.s. (future -- history of an ancient u.s., possible publication in 2056, included in the rise and fall of ancient civilizations )
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So, we need maybe a million new immigrants to bring more young people into our country and repopulate dying towns. Great, that has nothing to do with how we determine how many of the potential 3 billion illegal aliens or refugees of the world who want to come here and will go to great lengths to make it and risk their lives.

The dems felt so bad about the man and his son who died trying to swim into America. I was sad too, but if we make it easy to sneak in billions will come and more will die.
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we need maybe a million new immigrants to bring more young people into our country and repopulate dying towns.
Correction, we need more young immigrants allowed in so at to repopulate dying towns; which are presently waiting in dentition centers all across the u.s. to be released.

Interesting enough at the present low birth rates (2.5 global average per woman) are a global issue, not just a national issue and the young immigrants, they too are not having babies at re-population levels. (according to a pew report I read on millennial u.s. immigrants )
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about the man and his son who died trying to swim into America
It is the end result of all migration even at legal points of entry now (present policy, not law, implemented) being deemed as illegal. That has created more desperation and people taking greater risks, rather than they wait in their home for (picking a name out of air) Juan to show up and shoot 'em in the head for not paying the local extortion taxes from the near by gang and/or cartel and/or the civil war to reach their neighborhood ... etc. They take the risk. No risk, no reward ...



People are voting against their own self-interest in the u.s.; it's interesting to watch.
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Old 06-27-2019, 09:28 PM
 
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As many as the socialist democrats will voluntarilypay for themselves out of their own pockets, house and feed
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Old 06-27-2019, 09:32 PM
 
Location: Rust'n in Tustin
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How many suffering people from the Third World should we let into America per year?.
Umm, all of them?

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