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No one is advocating for people to not start a business.
Nobody is pushing for us to be N. Korea.
The argument........we gave billions to the markets. By and large a small percentage gained the most for that. They did not work for it. It was gave by the government.
The argument is that should be better spread around for the benefit of all.
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Originally Posted by cuebald
You mean, of course, Social Democrats, aka "Democratic Socialists", who believe in Capitalism regulated for the benefit of all instead of a scant few.
Gotcha.
The system under your arguments is still CAPITALISM and is certainly not socialism. The social democratic countries are capitalistic societies at their core, with overwhelming private ownership and control.
Cueball, your words, not mine. I have never advocated for a system to help the few. If you read what I wrote, I said that capitalism needs to include regulations to keep the system working smoothly as well as a social safety net. Social security and a universal health care system (which I have long advocated for) are not socialism, as socialism refers to an economic system, whereby private companies do not exist, and instead the economy is planned and controlled by the central government.
I don't believe Bernie and Warren are calling for such a system, but are calling for regulations and an increased safety net within capitalism. Turning to socialism would mean eliminating private enterprise, which is something only the very few radicals are advocating.
When it's increasing rapidly, it is. That means there's MORE opportunity for everyone willing to access it, OPPORTUNITY being the key word. Not everyone utilizes that opportunity, and then they wonder why they're still in a state of financial hardship and struggle.
You can lead a horse to water...
So if a country of 320 Million has 200 Billionaires instead of 100, that specifically means that things are much better for everyone? It has almost ZERO to do with anything if Facebook mints 4 Billionaires or 10. Well, we can clean their pools, so there is that.
It's really sad young people are buying into the propaganda sold by characters like AOC and Bernie Sanders. I blame the education system. That Communism doesn't work is basic logic. We need a modern Milton Friedman, who can explain the basic fact that prosperity is maximized when each individual pursues his own self-interest. Americans in the 1980s understood that, hence Reagan 49-state landslide.
Despite the mainstream media and the educational system teaching neo-liberalism people are still moving to the left. Its almost like the capitalist neo-lib order is failing to meet the peoples needs.
The problem in the USA is that we don't have the money or the will to become "of the people" -Democratic Socialism - because it's already taken by the profiteers (Medical and Security State mostly). Right there is well over 1.5 Trillion EXTRA per year being dumped down the crapper.....or into some pockets.
In the end this is the real issue. We cannot possibly have our cake and eat it also. We cannot have capitalists (2X the price) health care and spend trillions on "defense" and also have a sane society.
Pick one. That's what I would teach kids. Just like I'd teach them they can't have a new car and a pool and a big house and also take vacations each month...and have kids....and eat at fancy restaurants.
I REALLY wish you and other posters would STOP with all the slavery" angle. It is B.S. and you all know it.
Those that use get ZERO credibility from me.
It isn’t pure chattel slavery, obviously, but it’s technically a form of slavery...the same way free range livestock are far more free than animals locked in cages, but the farmer still ultimately claims ownership over them.
“The Tale of the Slave” lays it out well. It gives 9 short scenarios and ends with “The question is: which transition from case 1 to case 9 made it no longer the tale of a slave?”
So if a country of 320 Million has 200 Billionaires instead of 100, that specifically means that things are much better for everyone? It has almost ZERO to do with anything if Facebook mints 4 Billionaires or 10. Well, we can clean their pools, so there is that.
You're missing the point. There is MORE opportunity. But like I said, OPPORTUNITY is the key word. Not everyone utilizes that opportunity, and then they wonder why they're still in a state of financial hardship and struggle.
But many adults don't have the interest, the patience, or the mental discipline to concentrate long enough to get through more than a few pages of an online article. Many others won't even do that. If adults won't read a classic piece of literature, especially one that's somewhat lengthy and challenging, then it's not surprising that most teenagers won't either.
I see, you just want to demonize people over your vast generalizations.
You're missing the point. There is MORE opportunity. But like I said, OPPORTUNITY is the key word. Not everyone utilizes that opportunity, and then they wonder why they're still in a state of financial hardship and struggle.
You can lead a horse to water...
Side note. I'll be honest. I've often thought of you as more of a nut case based on some of your opinions. But some of your opinions, like the quote in this post, I agree completely.
The system under your arguments is still CAPITALISM and is certainly not socialism. The social democratic countries are capitalistic societies at their core, with overwhelming private ownership and control.
Cueball, your words, not mine. I have never advocated for a system to help the few. If you read what I wrote, I said that capitalism needs to include regulations to keep the system working smoothly as well as a social safety net. Social security and a universal health care system (which I have long advocated for) are not socialism, as socialism refers to an economic system, whereby private companies do not exist, and instead the economy is planned and controlled by the central government.
I don't believe Bernie and Warren are calling for such a system, but are calling for regulations and an increased safety net within capitalism. Turning to socialism would mean eliminating private enterprise, which is something only the very few radicals are advocating.
So overall you agree with cuebald and I. That's good.
False analogy. Making wise life, career, and financial decisions and thereby becoming first-generation wealthy is not analogous to playing the lottery.
Was Madoff Wise? The Wolf of Wall Street?
If what you say is so true, why is it fact that Sociopaths make good CEO's?
How about Rick Scott? I'm fairly sure he's first generation. Made his money defrauding the taxpayer, being part of the ripping off the American people in general ("health" insurance) and now passing laws that benefit his investments and friends?
Can we all be like that? Is that a good thing for our country and society?
Dollars to donuts most of the new millionaires right at the time of the Great Recession crash were playing a lottery. They won it, we lost it.
A lot of money is made by privatizing gains and socializing losses. Surely you can see that? The Great Recession wiped out the complete net worth of tens of millions of Americans....effects still linger.
I have a different definition of "wise" then you do. Many others do too. If one makes money by making it so others don't, that's not wise at all.
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