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Old 07-14-2019, 09:18 AM
 
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Originally Posted by KS_Referee View Post
What you wrote is NOT true. In true free market capitalism, no one forces anyone else to buy their goods or services. Both sides can negotiate and IF they both agree on terms, then they can participate in the exchange.

Was I exploiting people when I got them to agree to pay me to mow their yard? Did I or could I compel them to pay me for this work? I don't think so.
Most of the consumer goods we buy were made in other countries by force.

 
Old 07-14-2019, 09:19 AM
 
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How can we be capitalist though if we trade with communist countries?
Their market mixes with ours and labor under the capitalism side gets punished because of it.


We should rewrite the rules where we are only allowed to trade with other capitalist countries.
Do you think the capitalists in this country would agree to that?
Free people are free to trade with anybody they want.

Your rules are slavery.
 
Old 07-14-2019, 09:20 AM
 
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Define exploit.
 
Old 07-14-2019, 09:21 AM
 
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How can we be capitalist though if we trade with communist countries?
Their market mixes with ours and labor under the capitalism side gets punished because of it.


We should rewrite the rules where we are only allowed to trade with other capitalist countries.
Do you think the capitalists in this country would agree to that?
I have no idea. I'm one guy and don't have all the answers. Hence, I don't run for public office.

What I can tell you is if you are diverse enough you can thrive in any environment.

Edit.

I've always wondered why some members here seem to "know" everything. Very suspect to me.
 
Old 07-14-2019, 09:22 AM
 
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...which is always the result when you have massive state power to sell off.
So how come the donor crowd is not shouting for smaller government then?
Do you think the politicians are going to listen to the ones not buying them off.
 
Old 07-14-2019, 09:23 AM
 
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"Some" people view not being able to support a family of 4 in a middle class lifestyle on an entry-level minimum wage job as being "harmed."
You were comparing US to Europe and talking about tax rates without taking into account what's "included" in those. You were talking about the average earner (52k) here, so let's say 2 earners - 104k. So for household of 4, 44k in HC - about 40% effective tax. For 2 - 20%. Got it?

52k in not a minimum wage job. Maybe in Switzerland, if they had a minimum wage.
 
Old 07-14-2019, 09:24 AM
 
Location: Santa Monica
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So how come the donor crowd is not shouting for smaller government then?
Do you think the politicians are going to listen to the ones not buying them off.
Why would the donor crowd want less government?

 
Old 07-14-2019, 09:26 AM
 
Location: Santa Monica
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Most of the consumer goods we buy were made in other countries by force.
Unless products and services are being bought & sold on the black market they are all subject to force of some kind regardless of geographic location.
 
Old 07-14-2019, 09:27 AM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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Defense and Welfare...


Healthcare is welfare.
The actual statement is "...general welfare of the United States..." STATES, not people. Reading comprehension 101. Everywhere in the US Constitution in which it actually refers to the Fed Gov's responsibility to the people of the US, or similarly enumerates their Rights, it specifically says "people," "person/s," or "citizen/s."
 
Old 07-14-2019, 09:28 AM
 
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An individual can start a business and succeed. Tens of millions can not.

This is where the argument fails.
Yep.
The system people are preaching cannot work beyond the individual level.
If everyone is a capitalist owner running a business, who is going to do all the work?
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