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Old 07-14-2019, 11:22 AM
 
Location: Santa Monica
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Originally Posted by pknopp View Post
So why are we even discussing something that isn't going to work?
Who told you life was suppose to "work"?

Capitalism just exists. It's out of my hands and your hands.

 
Old 07-14-2019, 11:44 AM
 
Location: Park City, UT
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We’ve had 30 years of endless talk-radio propaganda about the wonders of unregulated capitalism. Most working class people are well aware of how much their lives have improved since 1980.
Most working class people are low IQ drones who wouldn't see an economic opportunity if it him them in the face. Maybe I'm being harsh, but there is much truth to what I say. People who are motivated, smart, and willing to strive past being average, often become successful or wealthy. Capitalism doesn't guarantee you a nice life, but it does give you the opportunity to attain one if you're willing to educate yourself on finances/economics & taxes, and willing to take massive action, learn from other successful people, etc.

The average person isn't willing to put in the mental or physical effort required to become truly successful.
It's not easy, unless you were trained & educated from early childhood on how our financial system actually works, how to use debt, how to invest, etc. Even if this stuff was taught in public school, many people would still fail at life because some people just don't have the genetics of a winner.
 
Old 07-14-2019, 02:39 PM
 
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Who told you life was suppose to "work"?

Capitalism just exists. It's out of my hands and your hands.
The theory exists.
 
Old 07-14-2019, 03:09 PM
 
Location: NY
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The Educational System must be revamped to include the Average American utilizing Life Credits as qualifications for employment.
Screw the Left Wing Nut Communist Professor and their joint degrees living behind the college compound wall for 40 years with
rent and utilities paid. Such a perfect Utopia to spread their nonsensical socialist agenda. You know the one's who can't comb their
hair,tie their shoes, brush their teeth ( that one gets me...P.U. ) but darn it can solve the world's puzzle applying their Ph.D. in mathematics.
Having a Nose to the Grindstone Blue Collar alongside these boondoggle entertainers is a breath of fresh air. It keeps the political and social
battlefields neutral at all times. Having a hard working stiff as a life instructor is like serving up a slice of pizza. Don't cost much but keeps the belly full.
 
Old 07-14-2019, 03:11 PM
 
Location: Santa Monica
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The theory exists.
Sure. You've got it.

I'm just touting the moral and logical consistency of the theory. If something can beat it when it comes to that I'm all ears. I've said that numerous times on this board. The main competition against capitalism has always been the Social Contract/statism. As you can see the most morally & logically sound paradigm doesn't equate to victory.

You folks have picked the theory based on consent being given by flying out of a vagina over a theory where an individual is born free from contractual obligation and impoverished then must rightfully consent to altering his rights. Furthermore, you've imposed it at gunpoint over the rest of population.
 
Old 07-14-2019, 03:23 PM
 
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Sure. You've got it.

I'm just touting the moral and logical consistency of the theory. If something can beat it when it comes to that I'm all ears. I've said that numerous times on this board. The main competition against capitalism has always been the Social Contract/statism. As you can see the most morally & logically sound paradigm doesn't equate to victory.

You folks have picked the theory based on consent being given by flying out of a vagina over a theory where an individual is born free from contractual obligation and impoverished then must rightfully consent to altering his rights. Furthermore, you've imposed it at gunpoint over the rest of population.
That's fine but I'm not all that interested in discussing a theory that is never going to happen.
 
Old 07-14-2019, 03:52 PM
 
Location: Santa Monica
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That's fine but I'm not all that interested in discussing a theory that is never going to happen.
But it is happening. That's the point.

Being in denial over it and/or embracing the social contract doesn't speak highly of you. That's why I reconfirmed by openness to being supplied with a morally and logically superior paradigm. No statist has ever produced one that didn't start with consent occurring after sliding out of a vagina which means it's inferior.

Admitting that capitalism is morally and logically consistent in the face of statism doesn't mean more than a honest admission.
 
Old 07-14-2019, 03:54 PM
 
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But it is happening. That's the point.

Being in denial over it and/or embracing the social contract doesn't speak highly of you. That's why I reconfirmed by openness to being supplied with a morally and logically superior paradigm. No statist has ever produced one that didn't start with consent occurring after sliding out of a vagina which means it's inferior.

Admitting that capitalism is morally and logically consistent in the face of statism doesn't mean more than a honest admission.
We've discussed this over and over. You are never able to defend your beliefs. I'm not doing it again.
 
Old 07-14-2019, 04:22 PM
 
Location: Santa Monica
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We've discussed this over and over. You are never able to defend your beliefs. I'm not doing it again.
I wouldn't want the debate either if I were you.

One of us believes that consent requires two parties, free from duress and with the cognitive ability to do so, to agree to terms that may be mediated by a voluntary 3rd party while the other believes that consent requires being expelled from a vagina.

If neither of us had pride or prejudice in our beliefs and were assigned the paradigms to debate I couldn't muster the slightest bit of moral and logical consistency if given the consent = out of a vagina side.

I don't know how you folks do it every day. It helps that my camp is far less than 1% of the population and dissenters are routinely eliminated by you guys, I'm sure.

Still though, damn, that is a lot of cognitive dissonance to work through.
 
Old 07-14-2019, 04:46 PM
 
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Capitalism is the greatest economic system that has ever been created. Capitalism provides incentive for people to achieve. Achievement is what creates value. I learned in high school about Adam Smith's Invisible Hand in Economics class in high school. Later, in college, I was introduced to Milton Friedman. I believe in capitalism, free markets, and limited government.

Why would the virtues of capitalism be taught in K-12 public schools? K-12 public schools are little more than Marxist indoctrination day care centers, many of which are underfunded day care centers. K-12 educators often have a leftist worldview. Public universities are taught by leftist PhDs.

The internet evens out the field. Access to information is easier. The youth who are intellectual curious do not have to rely upon those with Marxist worldviews for information. If they seek out information, the objective standard of what capitalism has achieved and does accomplish for a culture will win out.
One of the biggest tricks of the modern Right is the idea that Capitalism is some kind of modern invention.....because some guy wrote in English about it.

Typical.

So all the merchants selling stuff in the markets each week in the Middle East 3,000 years ago......weren't they "capitalists"? And did the roads and the wheel and metal and all that stuff "even the playing field" since even the poor could now bring their stuff further to market? Ships? Wow, much more effect then the modern internet.

The internet...and I was online way before it and working online (webmaster, admin, publisher) since....has turned into a reflection of our ultra-commercial consumer society. It could have been something special...maybe it will be someday. But it has been ruined by the very same forces that turn nice places all over this country to wastelands.

Anyway. You didn't build Capitalism. Some tribe before written language was spoken did. You didn't do anything to advance Capitalism. Innovators and hard workers by the million did.

But what the USA has done is to take it WAY over the top...like the difference between drinking a little beer or wine or being a raging drunk.

That's nothing to brag about. Go sit in traffic for hours in Florida (doesn't "pay" to build a train)....note the hotter weather (GW) and the red tide and dangerous algae (aggravated by poo and fertilizer and temperatures).

Bask in the water with flesh eating bacteria - yep, also aggravated.....then splash in the billions of gallons of poos that overflows the inadequate sewer system.

When you are finished that, come tell us about the success of Capitalism.

Note - while doing that in Florida, keep in mind that there is a vast amount of "support systems" allowing you to bathe in the poo and poison....everything from the gasoline to the coal-fired electric to all the manufactured goods that are polluting somewhere. Then figure out where all the trash is going.......

Please - come back and tell us how full of nature it is.

Clean water doesn't pay. So Capitalism will not provide it.
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