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Old 08-06-2019, 06:27 AM
 
Location: Midwest
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Hong Kong is an example of exactly why the Founding Fathers got it right.

Is anyone watching the unarmed Democratic civilians in Hong Kong try to resist the heavily armed Communist Chinese military?
They are fighting for their lives, their future and whether they can be deported to Chinese Concentration Camps.

At some point I'll bet they wish they had a 2nd amendment, a well armed Militia and the ability to defend themselves against the boot of the Communist.

Could that ever happen here in the US?

Yes, yes it could. And that's why we need the 2nd and our guns. This is exactly why our FF gave us the 2nd and the right to bear arms. They knew there was a possibility one day a Government would try to take away our Democratic freedoms and possibly ship us off "Re-education Camps".

Would you ever fight for your freedom?


Ironically, our freedoms will be lost only to save the 2nd amendment.

Internet free speech monitored and possibly closed down = lost freedom of speech.

or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press, or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.


Unreasonable searches to enter many venues/businesses/areas = lost rights in 4th amendment.

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated,
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Old 08-06-2019, 06:30 AM
 
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Ironically, our freedoms will be lost only to save the 2nd amendment.

Internet free speech monitored and possibly closed down = lost freedom of speech.

or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press, or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.


Unreasonable searches to enter many venues/businesses/areas = lost rights in 4th amendment.

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated,
You supported all this last admin., what changed?
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Old 08-06-2019, 06:33 AM
 
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Just looking into disputes over the 2nd amendment shows that it has been under scrutiny and redefining almost as long as i has been in place. State fight, Federal fights, the list goes on and on through the centuries. There will never be a consensus in this country on the meaning. I am certainly no legal scholar and it would take one to piece together the shifting landscape over this amendment.

Our every changing society shifts the goals and risks over expanding or shrinking the level of control over guns. I don't believe the 2nd amendment should be repealed, as it is a foundation of our country. But the expansion beyond a well regulated militia is something that is susceptible to change. Even with this there is differing interpretation, does regulated apply to only the militia itself or does it extend to the ability to own a firearm.

I don't think the founding fathers would promote individuals that would do harm to the republic, and or their fellow citizen. But to those that would uphold the foundations of the country and the rights of their neighbors.
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Old 08-06-2019, 06:38 AM
 
Location: Sonoran Desert
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The Red Ox tavern, Boston, November 4, 1774:

Ponderosa, "The British have the most powerful navy in the world. King George commands the most well equipped and trained army. What do we have? Some merchant vessels and a bunch of farmers. We should submit to King George and beg for our lives. The idea of resisting England is madness."
A well-regulated militia may or may not have been required by a free people, but we don't have any of those and have not had for decades if not centuries. Arguably, we are still a free people. Instead, we have thousands of mentally ill people and murderers with a message running around killing innocent people with military grade weapons. The second amendment has no legitimate purpose in society now if it ever did. Repeal it!
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Old 08-06-2019, 06:43 AM
 
Location: Midwest
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Why do we need the 2nd amendment? - Liberals


Liberals are constantly looking for ways to limit the rights of the individual and strengthen the central government. They are a totalitarian force that would exert their will over the rest of the population if left unchecked.
FYI, if the "deep state" wanted to take over, WMD would be used and no gun would ever be a match. Your 2nd amendment would be useless.
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Old 08-06-2019, 06:45 AM
 
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ANTIFA is a great example of people using violence to further a political (government) agenda.
Violence with silly string? LOL!

If silly string is such an effective weapon, why don't the "well organized militias" use that instead?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8WzMZxT-41k

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Old 08-06-2019, 06:47 AM
 
Location: Florida
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Originally Posted by Rakin View Post
Hong Kong is an example of exactly why the Founding Fathers got it right.

Is anyone watching the unarmed Democratic civilians in Hong Kong try to resist the heavily armed Communist Chinese military?
They are fighting for their lives, their future and whether they can be deported to Chinese Concentration Camps.

At some point I'll bet they wish they had a 2nd amendment, a well armed Militia and the ability to defend themselves against the boot of the Communist.

Could that ever happen here in the US?

Yes, yes it could. And that's why we need the 2nd and our guns. This is exactly why our FF gave us the 2nd and the right to bear arms. They knew there was a possibility one day a Government would try to take away our Democratic freedoms and possibly ship us off "Re-education Camps".

Would you ever fight for your freedom?
Today at this very hour we are in a battle with the Communists, the Democrat Party, the Globalists and the MSM who want a totalaitarian one sided government, one party government.. they want to destroy the Republican party , the Conservatives that is.. many of the Republicans have fallen and are Rinos.. Republican in Name Only.


The Freedom Caucus, born out of the WE THE PEOPLE'S MOVEMENT are the hope of WE THE PEOPLE.



All fractions of the TOTALITARIAN MOVEMENT, the Communists, the Democrats, the Globalists have joined in the fight together .. they want a ONE PARTY SYSTEM to rule us just like in China.. if the American people don't realize this, we will be all globalist citizens with no country, no history, no Constitution, No gun rights, no civil rights, no GOD GIVEN RIGHTS.



If you deny this, you are blind.. you are foolish, and you are supporting it .
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Old 08-06-2019, 06:49 AM
 
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If Jews had known then what they know now, would they have been as compliant in Germany in the 30's when they were being "temporarily relocated for their safety"?

I guess I should have first asked if you believe the holocaust occurred. If you don't believe it happened, let me know so I can ask a different question.
If refugee immigrants had known then what they know now, would they have been as compliant seeking refuge in the US when they were being "temporarily relocated for their safety"?

I guess I should have first asked if you believe the holocaust occurred.
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Old 08-06-2019, 06:50 AM
 
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They would at least be able to hold them off until an allied country came to their rescue. You assume the world would sit back an allow it to happen. It's not 1938 anymore.
Who is "them" and where would we hold them all "off?"
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Old 08-06-2019, 06:53 AM
 
Location: Sonoran Desert
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Today at this very hour we are in a battle with the Communists, the Democrat Party, the Globalists and the MSM who want a totalaitarian one sided government, one party government.. they want to destroy the Republican party , the Conservatives that is.. many of the Republicans have fallen and are Rinos.. Republican in Name Only.


The Freedom Caucus, born out of the WE THE PEOPLE'S MOVEMENT are the hope of WE THE PEOPLE.



All fractions of the TOTALITARIAN MOVEMENT, the Communists, the Democrats, the Globalists have joined in the fight together .. they want a ONE PARTY SYSTEM to rule us just like in China.. if the American people don't realize this, we will be all globalist citizens with no country, no history, no Constitution, No gun rights, no civil rights, no GOD GIVEN RIGHTS.



If you deny this, you are blind.. you are foolish, and you are supporting it .
This is the kind of BS that is being fed, consumed, and regurgitated by ignorant people who should have enough sense to know better. Put guns in the hands of some of them and you get Gilroy and El Paso. We don't which ones are real killers and which ones are just keyboard killers. Repeal the second then nobody gets a gun unless they can show they can be trusted with one (including review of their internet use).
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