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Old 10-09-2019, 11:14 AM
 
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Raising a kid on a budget hardly takes millions. Please stop. It does take self discipline and not buying materialistic things and everything that you want. What funny times we live in, when one suggests paying for their own child is seen as unusual or heartless!
Exactly.
At what point did programs designed to address poverty, child poverty, real poverty morph into this monster of entitlement.
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Old 10-09-2019, 11:26 AM
 
Location: 500 miles from home
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This is why as a single-male without children I won't be voting Democratic.

Up to $37,500 just for having a baby? About 3.7 million people have a baby a year, it's gotten to the point where these proposals are just bizzare.

Kamala Harris proposed a new plan of 6 months of paid parental leave for having a baby valued at $37,500 considering there are close to 4 million births a year that is quite a large proposal.

She also proposed $6,000 a year reserved for low and middle-income families for emergencies, additionally for families she wants a refundable tax credit for families paying more than 30% of their income in rent.

https://www.politico.com/news/2019/1...ve-plan-037640

https://gephardtdaily.com/national-i...o-cut-poverty/

https://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2019...6831570470945/

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/births.htm
If women quit having children - who will pay for your Medicare? Social Security?

The right wing is already whining that educated white women aren't having enough babies to replace our population. Just ask Steve King.
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Old 10-09-2019, 11:27 AM
 
Location: Toronto
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This is why as a single-male without children I won't be voting Democratic.

Up to $37,500 just for having a baby? About 3.7 million people have a baby a year, it's gotten to the point where these proposals are just bizzare.

Kamala Harris proposed a new plan of 6 months of paid parental leave for having a baby valued at $37,500 considering there are close to 4 million births a year that is quite a large proposal.

She also proposed $6,000 a year reserved for low and middle-income families for emergencies, additionally for families she wants a refundable tax credit for families paying more than 30% of their income in rent.

https://www.politico.com/news/2019/1...ve-plan-037640

https://gephardtdaily.com/national-i...o-cut-poverty/

https://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2019...6831570470945/

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/births.htm
You know that paid maternity leave (usually 10-months or longer) is the norm in most developed countries, right?
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Old 10-09-2019, 11:36 AM
 
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Why do we reward people for having children??

I just don’t get it.
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Old 10-09-2019, 11:39 AM
 
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6 months paid seems very appropriate imo.

You pay it then.
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Old 10-09-2019, 11:48 AM
 
Location: OH->FL->NJ
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The corporations will not find a way if they'll be punished severely if they do. As long as labor unions are destroyed and the working class celebrates the destruction of labor unions, then of course politics will be dominated by corporations and elite interests and not working class interests.

Of course, corporate puppets are all about means testing everything to create division and tension in society, just like SJWs. The more divided the masses are, the better for big money interests.
Explain how they would be punished for example in my scenario which, talking to my workmates at my 2nd job is common. They just move the required time into another category. A much harder to use category.

This only helped people with less than 40 hours of paid time off.

Note, hopefully you realize by now, I hate both parties. What I find is no matter who wins, big corporations win the most.
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Old 10-09-2019, 11:53 AM
 
Location: So Cal
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For all of the people advocating for all of the European style social benefits I wonder if someone sat down done some real hard math and presented real life information about just how much of a bite out of your paycheck that people are in actually really willing to put up with. I'm fine with the level of social safety net / benefits we have now, not real interested in paying even more, especially when we factor in the illegal alien crowd that the Dem frontrunners wanna include into that tally.
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Old 10-09-2019, 11:59 AM
 
Location: London
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While 6 months is a bit on the more generous end, literally every single other country on the planet has some form of paid parental leave.

Edit- Sorry, except Papua New Guinea
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Old 10-09-2019, 12:03 PM
 
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I think it is a great proposition. Families are the basis of a society and IMO in America we have more crime and more issues because we don't value family like other modern nations and the importance of bonding with children. Children do better when they have a parent at home with them. As another poster said, in most of Europe this is standard.

On salary amounts, IMO that is not what most people will get. I don't like her methods for the federal tax amount though. IMO she should come up with a better funding method. The responsibility should be shared, in part by government though.
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Old 10-09-2019, 12:26 PM
 
Location: London
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For all of the people advocating for all of the European style social benefits I wonder if someone sat down done some real hard math and presented real life information about just how much of a bite out of your paycheck that people are in actually really willing to put up with. I'm fine with the level of social safety net / benefits we have now, not real interested in paying even more, especially when we factor in the illegal alien crowd that the Dem frontrunners wanna include into that tally.
Americans pay almost as much as other citizens of the developed world do, yet they receive far less. Part of that is because of the incessant dummycrat worship of illegals, but let's be real here. For the considerably lower level of social services and benefits (and even things like consumer/worker protections), Americans should be paying WAY less in taxes than they are.
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