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Old 10-18-2019, 07:01 PM
 
Location: Salisbury,NC
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They cant defend Trump or Mulvaney. The picture Trump sent out was worth a lot. All the people sitting with Trump have eyes down and most are sitting with hands clasped.

Mulvaney told the truth and admitted the entire illegal activity.
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Old 10-19-2019, 05:48 AM
 
Location: East Lansing, MI
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We do not live in a police state. No individual can wish up an investigation on another. Not even the President of the United States. Some evidentiary standard must first be met.

There is no known U.S. investigation of the Bidens. That is not the case for Giuliani (per leaks ) and his associates (per indictments).

The clear conclusion appears to be that because of higher U.S. evidentiary standards that Trump was trying his luck with the Ukrainians with the quid pro quo sweeteners.

This, again, has already been discussed ad nauseam.
PRECISELY right.

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Old 10-19-2019, 05:56 AM
 
Location: North of Canada, but not the Arctic
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Isn’t all foreign affairs quid pro quo? When Obama gave Iran pallets of cash for the nuclear deal, why didn’t we hear accusations of quid pro quo?
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Old 10-19-2019, 06:14 AM
 
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Isn’t all foreign affairs quid pro quo? When Obama gave Iran pallets of cash for the nuclear deal, why didn’t we hear accusations of quid pro quo?
You managed to roll a lie, a whataboutism, and a totally inapposite comparison into just one sentence. Well done!
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Old 10-19-2019, 06:28 AM
 
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"High Crimes and Misdemeanors" is entirely undefined in the Constitution, if you have read it. HC&D are whatever Congress decides they are.

"Due process" comes during the trial phase, not during the discovery. So far, no charges have been brought that would require due process or cross examination - only the testimony of witnesses congerning the allegations. The House Judiciary Committee serves in impeachment cases like a Grand Jury, and proceedings are not public.
It is defined. As “ high crimes and misdemeanors “ . When the Framers wrote that, was it about innuendo, gossip, perceptions and endless dialogue and opinion?
No, for as the process is designed to be for the rarest of circumstances, for only the most serious issues which call into question the ability for the Government Official to do his job as stated.

Impeachment is not only in place for the President, but for other Government Officials. The Constitution specifically says the House has the ability to impeach. That’s implies the entire structure of the House, not the Speaker. The Impeachment issue has been voted down THREE times in the House. Show me a circumstance where the Legislative body of the House’s votes were ignored , and the Speaker proceeded anyway.

Just one will do.

There isn’t any comparison to a Grand Jury. A Grand Jury is made up of average everyday citizens chosen from the population at large. It is not selected from a Partisan Group . It is not chosen from a Group that includes individuals that have boycotted the election, called to “ Impeach the Mother F’’Er “ , has filed lawsuit after lawsuit , and some of whom were involved in pulling off one of the biggest POlital With hunt/ Hoaxes in American History. “ Evidence in plain sight “ Remember that ? That liar is in charge. Shameful.
And so far, they have gotten away with it. And Americans should just sit back for the sequel ?
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Old 10-19-2019, 06:31 AM
 
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Isn’t all foreign affairs quid pro quo? When Obama gave Iran pallets of cash for the nuclear deal, why didn’t we hear accusations of quid pro quo?
That doesn’t count. That was the Professor, the Lecturer in Chief, where the media sat with their hands under their butts when he spoke.

No problem either when he said to the Russian that he would have more flexibility after the election either.
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Old 10-19-2019, 06:37 AM
 
Location: annandale, va & slidell, la
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This Leftist inspired interpretation of the news conference has already expired!
It had the shortest shelf-life of any of the Fake News sofar. LOL

COLOOOOSION, emonuments, he hates Black People, Ukraine........none of them stick! What's next------he was mean to Nancy?

Frustration must be exhausting for these people!
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Old 10-19-2019, 06:40 AM
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Location: On the Border
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Isn’t all foreign affairs quid pro quo? When Obama gave Iran pallets of cash for the nuclear deal, why didn’t we hear accusations of quid pro quo?
IF the quo is an investigation into your opponents by that foreign government, it's illegal.
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Old 10-19-2019, 06:42 AM
TKO
 
Location: On the Border
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This Leftist inspired interpretation of the news conference has already expired!
It had the shortest shelf-life of any of the Fake News sofar. LOL

COLOOOOSION, emonuments, he hates Black People, Ukraine........none of them stick! What's next------he was mean to Nancy?

Frustration must be exhausting for these people!
Dream on, buttercup. It's getting deeper by the day as more and more of Trump's own people start quitting and talking.
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Old 10-19-2019, 07:12 AM
 
Location: annandale, va & slidell, la
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Dream on, buttercup. It's getting deeper by the day as more and more of Trump's own people start quitting and talking.
LOL. Once the IG's report comes out in a week or so, all your leftist superheroes will be rounded up!

The chest-pounding by your side will be as comical as the videos of the crying and disbelief shown on election night.

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