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Old 10-18-2019, 11:14 AM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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Originally Posted by middle-aged mom View Post
Some European countries impose caps on contributions to some social programs. That's not the case for all or most.

Most European countries do not rate risks by age as is done in the US.

While income taxes may be somewhat less progressive than in the US, does not mean it applies across the board.
That doesn't answer the question. Why doesn't the US have a cap on the Medicare tax? If European countries can do it, why can't the US?

 
Old 10-18-2019, 11:15 AM
 
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A Congress majority and POTUS could eliminate SS and call it a day.

Those who seem to favor abolishing SS, usually have an expectation that their payroll taxes would be refunded. The Federal Government has no, zero, zip obligation to refund a dime.
I don't think for a second they'd "refund" anything, and if those programs even got reduced, they'd likely levy some tax penalty to punish the American people for all our sass.

Congress hates the US citizen, with a pretty singular ferocity. I wouldn't be surprised if tomorrow they stopped paying any SS or Mediwelfare benefits, but kept collecting the tax and maybe even raised the percentage, while actually having Pelosi and McConnell hold hands and give the middle finger to the camera and say "FU America!!" Seriously, I wouldn't even blink if that happened. I would just shrug and say "yep, that figures."
 
Old 10-18-2019, 11:16 AM
 
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Without the mandate to buy healthcare coverage that`s exactly what`s happening. A person who chooses to not be insured gets t-boned at an intersection and gets a free 25K helicopter trip to the hospital. Who pays for that?
The driver that t-boned them (or that driver's auto insurance, as applicable).
 
Old 10-18-2019, 11:18 AM
 
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No. Healthcare is not a right. That is false. You don't get to enslave people for your care and feeding simply because you exist.
Exactly.
 
Old 10-18-2019, 11:21 AM
 
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A, it's not enslaving people.
Yes, it is, unless everyone pays the same amount per person. Parents pay for their dependent children. Seniors have paid into the Fed Gov's insurance programs for 40+ years, so they've already paid. That was the deal the Fed Gov made with with the public.
 
Old 10-18-2019, 11:25 AM
 
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Does not Medicare decide what treatments it covers and how much it will reimburse providers, today?
Yes, but only for a small percentage of the US population. If that is done for the entire US population, i.e. low reimbursement rates, private medical practices and hospitals would close.
 
Old 10-18-2019, 11:26 AM
 
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Without the mandate to buy healthcare coverage that`s exactly what`s happening. A person who chooses to not be insured gets t-boned at an intersection and gets a free 25K helicopter trip to the hospital. Who pays for that?
The question you should be asking is why a helicopter flight costs $25k, when the cost to operate a helicopter for an entire hour averages around $1200? If the flight takes an entire hour, we are still talking about a ~2,000% markup on the cost.

Why does a single Tylenol tablet in a hospital cost $20, when a bottle of 500 tablets cost about half that at CVS?

You statists always worry about who is going to pay and never seem to question why the cost is as high as it is. That baffles the mind.
 
Old 10-18-2019, 11:27 AM
 
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Because we're not as progressive or caring about our citizens as we pretend to be. There's too much money to be made with insurance companies, big pharma and politicians.
Anyone can be as caring as they "claim" to be. Just volunteer to pay for others' health care.

Hmmm... Wonder why we don't see lefties lining up to voluntarily foot the bills for everyone else.
 
Old 10-18-2019, 11:28 AM
 
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Both of which are choices deliberately made. No one forced either conundrum upon your country.
Entirely true, if the people of the US would like to leave the driver's seat and accept a role as merely a passenger subject to the whims of others and they want to seal their borders and deport tens of millions of people then we can talk about universal healthcare.... but I don't sense there's terribly strong support for either thing.
 
Old 10-18-2019, 11:29 AM
 
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A Congress majority and POTUS could eliminate SS and call it a day.
Just as they could do so with a government-run single payer health care system. Oops! Sorry. We don't have the funding for it. Too bad, so sad.
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