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Old 10-18-2019, 08:34 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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Originally Posted by middle-aged mom View Post
Japan was an early adopter of the poly clinic model instead of traditional hospitals.

I have a group of friends that spent their careers as expats all over the world. While anecdotal, they all agreed that Canada has the best healthcare system because of its simplicity with France a close second. They also agreed that the model used in Japan was the most different from the US.
correct... if we got rid of the hospitals and went to the poly-clinic model, that would be a significant cost cutting measure.....but even still, we have a lot of associated costs such as high property taxes (my property tax is Sicily, Italy is 1/10th of what it is here in NY)

 
Old 10-18-2019, 08:38 AM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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Originally Posted by middle-aged mom View Post
Japan was an early adopter of the poly clinic model instead of traditional hospitals.

I have a group of friends that spent their careers as expats all over the world. While anecdotal, they all agreed that Canada has the best healthcare system because of its simplicity with France a close second. They also agreed that the model used in Japan was the most different from the US.
I would actually prefer the poly clinic model. Makes much more sense.

We were in Thailand in December 2012 visiting family temporarily assigned there with IBM when 2 members of our family fell ill. The total out-of-pocket cost of the clinic visit, diagnostic testing (results delivered within an hour by bicycle messenger to and from the lab), and prescribed meds for 2 people (US citizens aren't covered by Thailand's public health care) cost a total of $120 US.
 
Old 10-18-2019, 08:40 AM
 
Location: Inland FL
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Why not go with a system like Singapore has?
 
Old 10-18-2019, 08:41 AM
 
Location: Barrington
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Originally Posted by InformedConsent View Post
That's because people pay into SS and Medicare for 40 years before ever collecting a dime in benefits. Do the same for health care. Charge everyone health care taxes for 40 years before they get health care benefits.
Despite the 40+ year contribution, general revenues are the primary source of funding most of Medicare Part B ( outpatient and medical) and Part D ( prescription medications). It's fascinating the same Congress that approved Part D also denied to grant Medicare the authority to negotiate / regulation the price of medication.

Given most surgeries are performed on an outpatient basis which includes up to 24 hours inpatient recovery, the Federal Government is picking up the shortfall. Medicare has never been a self sustaining operation.

The babyboom is the first generation to have paid into Medicare their entire working lives. Those payments were used to pay for the benefits of prior generations.
 
Old 10-18-2019, 08:44 AM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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Despite the 40+ year contribution, general revenues are the primary source of funding most of Medicare Part B ( outpatient and medical) and Part D ( prescription medications). It's fascinating the same Congress that approved Part D also denied to grant Medicare the authority to negotiate / regulation the price of medication.

Given most surgeries are performed on an outpatient basis which includes up to 24 hours inpatient recovery, the Federal Government is picking up the shortfall. Medicare has never been a self sustaining operation.

The babyboom is the first generation to have paid into Medicare their entire working lives. Those payments were used to pay for the benefits of prior generations.
So... We already have the known experience of the Fed Gov promising what they mathematically can't deliver. How is that supposed to inspire confidence in letting Fed Gov take over the entire US health care system?
 
Old 10-18-2019, 08:44 AM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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Why?
Because Free People are not property of the State.
In the USA it is up to you and you only to pull your own weight. You choose for you what is best. Not some appointed bureaucrat in DC, with your life in their hands, like cattle.
"In order to maintain a Free State"
You people are pushing it.
 
Old 10-18-2019, 08:46 AM
 
Location: North Texas
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I suspect the reason is there is no profit in universal health care. Think about it; the "ACA" (aka Obamacare) was written by the health insurance lobby. The law ensures that profits for health "insurers" are 10% of money spent on medical care for their clients. So where is there an incentive to control costs? I bet an insurance company would rather pay out 200K for a procedure rather than 100k.

90% of the people in the "health care" industry do not provide direct patient care.

There is no way to screw over Americans with universal health care therefore it will never happen.


This wins the thread. 100% correct.
 
Old 10-18-2019, 08:48 AM
 
Location: Planet earth
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No, liberals don't love taxes. No one loves taxes.

But liberals understand - where Republicans refuse to acknowledge - that some things need to be done via the government, and that requires money. Republicans, greedy, want to keep funneling money to the wealthy instead.

By what right do you get to demand that government use force against someone else simply because you want something but don't want to pay for it? Oh... and don't you dare claim that taxing people isn't using the government to hold a gun to another person's head because if they don't pay, people in government with guns will go arrest them and lock them in a cage like a criminal.
 
Old 10-18-2019, 08:51 AM
 
Location: Suburb of Chicago
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Why would you assume all obesity is the result of sloth?
Who defines obese?
Sounds like you hate people who dont look like you.
Yeah, some people are obese because they DID follow the food pyramid.

Why have nutritionists never questioned the government on that?
 
Old 10-18-2019, 08:52 AM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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By what right do you get to demand that government use force against someone else simply because you want something but don't want to pay for it? Oh... and don't you dare claim that taxing people isn't using the government to hold a gun to another person's head because if they don't pay, people in government with guns will go arrest them and lock them in a cage like a criminal.
And seize their assets including their homes, bank accounts, etc...
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