Why doesn't America have universal health care? (brainwash, politicians, vs)

[middle-aged mom]

Originally Posted by InformedConsent

Why doesn't the US have a cap on the Medicare tax? If European countries can do it, why can't the US?

Some European countries impose caps on contributions to some social programs. That's not the case for all or most.

Most European countries do not rate risks by age as is done in the US.

While income taxes may be somewhat less progressive than in the US, does not mean it applies across the board.

[gmagoo]

Originally Posted by lifeexplorer

Because we have abandoned slavery long time ago.

Nobody should be forced to pay for other people’s healthcare expenses.

Without the mandate to buy healthcare coverage that`s exactly what`s happening. A person who chooses to not be insured gets t-boned at an intersection and gets a free 25K helicopter trip to the hospital. Who pays for that?

[whogo]

Originally Posted by BruSan

Both of which are choices deliberately made. No one forced either conundrum upon your country.

The latter problem is primarily due to the party pushing universal healthcare.

[FirebirdCamaro1220]

Originally Posted by ohhwanderlust

All employer-tied healthcare does is make people cling to jobs that aren't necessarily right for them, and it also makes people far less likely to want to start their own businesses, much less hire people for them.

And COBRA is prohibitively expensive unless you're earning 6 figures

[middle-aged mom]

Originally Posted by workingclasshero

the problem is not the cost of insurance...but the cost of care, and government intrusion


I agree..this debate will still be happening 10 years from now


number of Americans in full pledged nursing homes: 2.5 million...... the average cost Adult Day Health Care,.20,000 per year......assisted living facility 45,000 per year....nursing home (semi-private room),.85,000 per year.......nursing home (private room),.96,000
number of americans in all levels of nursing homes and assisted living....12 million (Annually)... 11,995,100 people receive support from the 5 main long-term care service; home health agencies (5,742,500), nursing homes (2,383,700), hospices (1,544,500), residential care communities (913,300) and adult day service centers (373,200)...............total cost of long term care 590 billion annually...and going up every year https://www.genworth.com/corporate/a...t-of-care.html

will nursing homes be covered under a singlepayer...or would that massive expense be classified as ''not covered''?? or is that nearly trillion dollar bill right back on the peoples back??


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More than 26 million Americans have significant vision loss.((a total of 85 million Americans have potentially blinding eye diseases. )) (((hmmm more than 26 million americans are blind or going blind.....that's more than Norway, Finland, Denmark, Switzerland, and Austria COMBINED TOTAL population....)))......The cost of vision loss, including direct costs and lost productivity, is estimated to exceed $141 billion in 2017


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number of Americans with heart disease: 29.2 million and of those..((Number of visits with heart disease as primary diagnosis: 17 million ))((Number of discharges with heart disease as first-listed diagnosis: 4.9 million)).....900,000 people in the USA die from heart disease annually....the cost 690 billion annually

will cardiac care be covered under a singlepayer...or would that massive expense be classified as ''not covered'' or "sorry you smoke, or eat too much" not covered?? that is the cost of CARE... again has nothing to do with insurance


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number of Americans with diabetes below the age of 60: 31 million....total cost 395 billion per year, and rising.....

will the ''government single-payer'' say.... nope, you got diabetes, because you are FAT, sorry not covered??


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Obesity rates among ALL OECD nations increased in recent years, with the highest rate in the U.S. at 37.3% -- which means one in 3 Americans is by definition obese.----366 billion per year
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New Data Shows Obesity Costs Will Grow to $444 Billion by 2020 | Partnership to Fight Chronic Disease
http://www.fightchronicdisease.org/m...4-billion-2018


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number of Americans getting cancer (new cases) per year 1.9 million for a total of 25 million people being treated (fighting) each year...each year at least 570,000 die from cancer....the cost is over 250 billion. and expected to be 290 billion by 2020


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number of Americans with asthma: 27 million....Each day 11 Americans die from asthma.......annual costs 76 billion per year and increasing


that's over 130 million people with serious health risks..while some may overlap..its still a good one third of the country


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SO HOW ARE YOU GOING TO PAY FOR IT...........................
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so what YOU are saying is we should FORCE doctors and nurse to work for minimum wage. and have offices in huts


when you pay that doctor $100 ,, its not 100 dollars going into his pocket...there are lots of other COSTS


how are you going to control the cost of medical equipment(mri or x-ray machines, etc)??????most xray machines are made in and imported from Denmark


how are you going to control the rising property tax/rent/mortgage that doctors face????? will the government LOWER property taxes for doctors offices.. the property taxes that fund our schools which say they dont have enough money????

think about that one for a second.... let it sink in....





how are you going to control the cost of supplies(gauze, plaster, silk, rubber, polystyrene( a oil product)?????......especially some supplies that aren't even American, because the globalist liberals have outsourced almost all manufacturing!!!







how are you going to control the cost of the people salaries???? these people with a specialty of medicine...... a maximum wage ??? yeah that's a perfect socialist idea a max wage... bet that will fly








how are you, going to control the employment costs for Doctors, nurses, technicians, hospital food operators, hospital linen cleaning service, custodial services, medical transcribers????.....
...are you going to 'nationalize' every profession that is even remotely connected to medicine????
yeah that's the idea...'nationalize' every profession connected to medicine, then install a max wage....



how are they going to control malpractice INSURANCE COSTS????? …. well Shakespeare did say "kill all the lawyers"



how are you going to control the cost of the rising electric bills the doctors/hospitals are facing???? especially if liberals like Warren or Sanders want to raise taxes on energy

for example the average hospital uses a lot of electricity...about 510,000 a month...that's over 6 million dollars in electric costs yearly, and in most case to a town government as many utility companies are municipals to the town/city...………..
.........….you are not likely to cut that piece of overhead...………..






M4A will cost well over 4 trillion annually...and that is for a 80/20 insurance with many, many denials of care


a true singlepayer will cost well over 6.5 trillion annually...and it takes the burden off of employers and directly on the taxpayers


singlepayer wont save you a dime.... but if you are a taxpayer you sure will be screwed


with UHC you cant GUARENTEE of QUALITY care (look at the health dept horror clinics)




most people (to include republicans) would support singlepayer....IF....

1. it wouldn't be like the CRAPCARE of the health department clinics (death traps)
2. and there was a fair way of funding it........... one possible idea is replacing the personal income tax, the estate tax, the corporate tax with the fair tax (a consumption tax) ...but the liberals will never go for it, because then they lose their boogieman spin of "tax the rich"... aka they lose control

While I favor Universal Healthcare it is with a caveat of substantially increased personal responsibility and having skin in the game.

Universal Healthcare is a right. No two countries have the same strategy for delivery. There is no right or wrong strategy.

I am not in the Single Payor/ Medicare for All camp.

[ncguy50]

Originally Posted by gmagoo

Without the mandate to buy healthcare coverage that`s exactly what`s happening. A person who chooses to not be insured gets t-boned at an intersection and gets a free 25K helicopter trip to the hospital. Who pays for that?

What about the millions of people who don't get T-boned at an intersection that the middle class is forced to provide subsidized and stupid insurance policies for month after month.

[ncguy50]

Originally Posted by middle-aged mom

While I favor Universal Healthcare it is with a caveat of substantially increased personal responsibility and having skin in the game.

Universal Healthcare is a right. No two countries have the same strategy for delivery. There is no right or wrong strategy.

I am not in the Single Payor/ Medicare for All camp.

No. Healthcare is not a right. That is false. You don't get to enslave people for your care and feeding simply because you exist.

[MPowering1]

Originally Posted by HJ99

Yep the big focus on low fat and high carb was pretty stupid. Food companies reduced fat but greatly increased the high fructose corn syrup. Carbs are what really fatten the livestock for slaughter..... not fat.



Peasant/slave class has alway ate a high carb diet, ever since humans clustered in cities. But traditionally you barely earned enough to keep yourself alive. And if you were slave/serf you only had what your owner thought you needed. You couldnt overindulge cause you didnt have money to do so, no matter what you ate. At that point in time, just getting enough calories of any kind was the big challenge. Also peasants tended to have to be in constant motion, everything was manual labor. Now most areas in world are mechanized, even if there are hundreds people standing around idle. Mechanization is cheaper maybe even cheaper than the "bowl rice" per day to keep slave alive.

People were eating like farmers even though their workdays were half as long and they were sitting at a desk. But carbs are also cheap, so families stretched the meals with carbs. And then....there's that stupid food pyramid.

As for the bolded, I've run several food studies over the years for manufacturers. When the food scientists tell you they wouldn't eat what they've helped create in the way of low fat options, due to all the additives, there's a problem.

[MPowering1]

Originally Posted by FirebirdCamaro1220

And COBRA is prohibitively expensive unless you're earning 6 figures

Even then.

[FirebirdCamaro1220]

Originally Posted by ncguy50

No. Healthcare is not a right. That is false. You don't get to enslave people for your care and feeding simply because you exist.

A, it's not enslaving people. B, that's your opinion. Several other countries, including our neighbor to the north, disagree with you and your hard right wing ideology