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Old 10-18-2019, 06:29 AM
 
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Why?
1. It would be illegal.
2. It's wrong to force people to pay for others' health care.
3. We can't afford it.

 
Old 10-18-2019, 06:29 AM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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ANYTHING the fed does it turns out in time to NOT be efficient and grows way beyond it's original charter with escalating budgets. Read about the EPA and its original charge and see what it is today and it's budget.

Why do we even need a Dept of Education when education is a STATE responsibility.

" By 1965, the Office of Education had more than 2,100 employees and a budget of $1.5 billion"
https://www2.ed.gov/about/overview/focus/what.html

Today it is $68 BILLION. What do we bet for that $68 BILLION a year?

We already have a good example of how "well" the fed runs health care by looking at the VA and it's history.

If we CAN'T run the VA efficiently, More than nine million veterans are served each year by the Department of Veterans Affairs, what in the world make you think we can take care of ENTIRE country with 329,064,917 people?


O Care TRIED and it is a complete FAILURE.
Exactly correct. No one trusts the Fed Gov with the complete takeover of their health care after seeing how badly they've botched the VA and STILL haven't fixed it.
 
Old 10-18-2019, 06:29 AM
 
Location: Barrington
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Originally Posted by No_Recess View Post
We do have universal health care.

Just because it sucks doesn't mean it isn't universal.

Enjoy.
The US does NOT have Universal Healthcare.

The US does not grant a right to healthcare and once again has no mandate to have insurance.

Most of the developed world rewrote their constitutions after WW2 to include healthcare as a civil right.

While the rest of the developed world has Universal Healthcare, no two countries do it the same. A few are Single Payer. A few rely entirely on private insurance. Most are a mixed bag.

Many require employers to contribute.

Each country tweaks their system annually and periodically reforms.

Most people are as passionate about their healthcare system as some in the US are about the second amendment. At the same time, people everywhere complain about increasing cost.

Every country is increasingly challenged to control costs of healthcare, especially those with substantial aging populations. Many countries increasingly embrace poly clinics vs full service hospitals. For example, no reason for a normal birth to be delivered by an OB/ Gyn in a hospital that has the overhead associated with brain surgery and trauma.

There is increased emphasis on wellness, early diagnosis and especially weight control. As to the latter, Japan is leading the way with bold moves to control the weight of the population. Every one is required to submit to an annual waist measure. Those who exceed the generous healthy range are referred to counseling. Employers perform the measures for their employees. The government establishes annual goals for each employer to reduce waist sizes. Failure to do so results in the employer being required to contribute more to the Sickness Fund.

Japan made the connection between personal responsibility, weight, health and cost and are committed to a more healthy population.
 
Old 10-18-2019, 06:39 AM
 
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Originally Posted by jaminhealth View Post
Get a grip, if and when it ever happens, Everyone who gets it will Pay Higher Taxes...no insurance is free. Love my Medicare which I've had for over 15 yrs. Pay High taxes or pay for high insurance, can't have both.

And if we put less in Military we'd be able to do more for health than killing.

On this issue too, TAKE CHARGE OF YOUR OWN HEALTH, work on finding help for issues and don't forever run to doctors. There are millions of bits of info on healing ourselves, DO IT.

I'm 81 and see my doc once a year and otherwise do my OWN TYPE HEALING as best I can and no side effects from their costly drugs.
who pays for Medicare? My money that comes out of my check pays for social security, Medicare, Medicaid but you don't see many politicians wanting to do away with social security or medicare
 
Old 10-18-2019, 06:44 AM
 
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Originally Posted by middle-aged mom View Post
The US does NOT have Universal Healthcare.

The US does not grant a right to healthcare and once again has no mandate to have insurance.

Most of the developed world rewrote their constitutions after WW2 to include healthcare as a civil right.

While the rest of the developed world has Universal Healthcare, no two countries do it the same. A few are Single Payer. A few rely entirely on private insurance. Most are a mixed bag.

Many require employers to contribute.

Each country tweaks their system annually and periodically reforms.

Most people are as passionate about their healthcare system as some in the US are about the second amendment. At the same time, people everywhere complain about increasing cost.

Every country is increasingly challenged to control costs of healthcare, especially those with substantial aging populations. Many countries increasingly embrace poly clinics vs full service hospitals. For example, no reason for a normal birth to be delivered by an OB/ Gyn in a hospital that has the overhead associated with brain surgery and trauma.

There is increased emphasis on wellness, early diagnosis and especially weight control. As to the latter, Japan is leading the way with bold moves to control the weight of the population. Every one is required to submit to an annual waist measure. Those who exceed the generous healthy range are referred to counseling. Employers perform the measures for their employees. The government establishes annual goals for each employer to reduce waist sizes. Failure to do so results in the employer being required to contribute more to the Sickness Fund.

Japan made the connection between personal responsibility, weight, health and cost and are committed to a more healthy population.
excellent post. My health insurance in japan was a little over 100 dollars. Less than my cable or cell phone bill here in the states.
 
Old 10-18-2019, 06:48 AM
 
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Originally Posted by vacommonwealth View Post
who pays for Medicare? My money that comes out of my check pays for social security, Medicare, Medicaid but you don't see many politicians wanting to do away with social security or medicare
That's because people pay into SS and Medicare for 40 years before ever collecting a dime in benefits. Do the same for health care. Charge everyone health care taxes for 40 years before they get health care benefits.
 
Old 10-18-2019, 06:49 AM
 
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Originally Posted by middle-aged mom View Post
The US does NOT have Universal Healthcare.

The US does not grant a right to healthcare and once again has no mandate to have insurance.

Most of the developed world rewrote their constitutions after WW2 to include healthcare as a civil right.

While the rest of the developed world has Universal Healthcare, no two countries do it the same. A few are Single Payer. A few rely entirely on private insurance. Most are a mixed bag.

Many require employers to contribute.

Each country tweaks their system annually and periodically reforms.

Most people are as passionate about their healthcare system as some in the US are about the second amendment. At the same time, people everywhere complain about increasing cost.

Every country is increasingly challenged to control costs of healthcare, especially those with substantial aging populations. Many countries increasingly embrace poly clinics vs full service hospitals. For example, no reason for a normal birth to be delivered by an OB/ Gyn in a hospital that has the overhead associated with brain surgery and trauma.

There is increased emphasis on wellness, early diagnosis and especially weight control. As to the latter, Japan is leading the way with bold moves to control the weight of the population. Every one is required to submit to an annual waist measure. Those who exceed the generous healthy range are referred to counseling. Employers perform the measures for their employees. The government establishes annual goals for each employer to reduce waist sizes. Failure to do so results in the employer being required to contribute more to the Sickness Fund.

Japan made the connection between personal responsibility, weight, health and cost and are committed to a more healthy population.
sure govt dicating waist sizes and BMI, what could go wrong? And maybe we could use a similiar scheme to weed out the evil blonde haired blue eyed people (or brown skinned folks depending on the team in power)
Oh and remember the carb laden USDA food pyramid that all but guaranteed obesity? Yeah those same people are going set the criteria for health care.
FYI this isn't Japan, they can keep their creepy body control scheme over there.
 
Old 10-18-2019, 06:54 AM
 
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sure govt dicating waist sizes and BMI, what could go wrong? And maybe we could use a similiar scheme to weed out the evil blonde haired blue eyed people (or brown skinned folks depending on the team in power)
Oh and remember the carb laden USDA food pyramid that all but guaranteed obesity? Yeah those same people are going set the criteria for health care.
FYI this isn't Japan, they can keep their creepy body control scheme over there.
Exactly. The carb-heavy Fed Gov USDA Food Pyramid all but guaranteed obesity and consequently diabetes type 2, heart disease, and other obesity-related diseases epidemics. And somehow we're still supposed to trust Fed Gov to make our health care decisions? No, thanks.
 
Old 10-18-2019, 06:55 AM
 
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Exactly. The carb-heavy Fed Gov USDA Food Pyramid all but guaranteed obesity and consequently diabetes type 2, heart disease, and other obesity-related diseases epidemics. And somehow we're still supposed to trust Fed Gov to make our health care decisions? No, thanks.
Well they have new and improved experts in DC now

And of course the Japanese/Swedish/Canadian govt's never lie to their people about the true outcome of their schemes, so too should they be adopted here.
 
Old 10-18-2019, 07:03 AM
 
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That's because people pay into SS and Medicare for 40 years before ever collecting a dime in benefits. Do the same for health care. Charge everyone health care taxes for 40 years before they get health care benefits.
The average social security recipient receives 30% more than they put in, the average Medicaid recipient is middle class elderly in long term care. The money from my check is going to S. S. medicare recipients. People who hate government so much should work to end social security medicare, etc.
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