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Old 10-17-2019, 08:25 PM
 
Location: Haiku
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Because this country is corrupted by lobbyists from Pharma and healthcare. The medical industrial complex is bigger than defense in the US and the lobbyists do not want to let a good thing go. They will fight tooth and nail any effort to rein in costs because it will affect their profits. That is problem #1.

Problem #2 is that basically Americans are not very sympathetic to people less fortunate than themselves so if they get any inclination that they are paying for someone else's medical treatments they raise holy hell. This problem is more pronounced among Republicans but even a lot of Dems are nervous about M4A.

So basically it is an uphill fight.

 
Old 10-17-2019, 08:30 PM
 
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Because we don't want it. That's why.
 
Old 10-17-2019, 08:34 PM
 
Location: USA
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Because we don't want it. That's why.
Yes.

It’s better to pay twice as much for healthcare as long as I’m not paying for it via taxes.

 
Old 10-17-2019, 08:35 PM
 
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Oh that's not so, MANY govt programs work great, our highways, fire and police depts, postal, love them all in my 81 yrs on planet. Complain complain complain so many good at that one.
Have you ever worked for any of these entities?
 
Old 10-17-2019, 08:37 PM
 
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Yes.

It’s better to pay twice as much for healthcare as long as I’m not paying for it via taxes.

Universal health care can be funded with taxes or premiums.
 
Old 10-17-2019, 08:49 PM
 
Location: Planet earth
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Why?

No one is preventing you or anyone else from buying and paying for ALL the insurance you want with your own earnings. The problem comes when people like you expect others to pay extra for their insurance so that you can get for free what they already have to pay for if they want it. That does NOT mean we shouldn't have a safety net for those who are genuinely physically or mentally incapable of earning an income. That safety net already existed in the form of Medicare and Medicaid.

To be perfectly honest, both Medicare and Medicaid taxed and funded at a federal level are unconstitutional. The US Constitution NEVER authorized the federal government to tax for or to provide such programs. Even Social Security is unconstitutional but there are a ton of things our federal and State governments do that are completely unconstitutional. That is because, as Frederick Bastiat said it,
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"Government is the great fiction, through which everybody endeavors to live at the expense of everybody else."
But then again, that's just MY opinion, for what it's worth.
 
Old 10-17-2019, 08:50 PM
 
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Why?
Its a state rights issue. Not a federal.

If a state wants to do that they can.
 
Old 10-17-2019, 08:56 PM
 
Location: USA
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No one is preventing you or anyone else from buying and paying for ALL the insurance you want with your own earnings. The problem comes when people like you expect others to pay extra for their insurance so that you can get for free what they already have to pay for if they want it. That does NOT mean we shouldn't have a safety net for those who are genuinely physically or mentally incapable of earning an income. That safety net already existed in the form of Medicare and Medicaid.

To be perfectly honest, both Medicare and Medicaid taxed and funded at a federal level are unconstitutional. The US Constitution NEVER authorized the federal government to tax for or to provide such programs. Even Social Security is unconstitutional but there are a ton of things our federal and State governments do that are completely unconstitutional. That is because, as Frederick Bastiat said it,
But then again, that's just MY opinion, for what it's worth.
Most traffic laws are unconstitutional. There’s nothing in the constitution that allows the government to regulate driving behaviors.
 
Old 10-17-2019, 08:58 PM
 
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Why?
Because for decades, Republicans have blocked it, because they're more interested in funneling money to wealthy doctors and corporations, and they don't care about the less fortunate or the general welfare of the citizenry.
 
Old 10-17-2019, 08:59 PM
 
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Proof positive that liberals love taxes.
No, liberals don't love taxes. No one loves taxes.

But liberals understand - where Republicans refuse to acknowledge - that some things need to be done via the government, and that requires money. Republicans, greedy, want to keep funneling money to the wealthy instead.
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