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Old 10-17-2019, 07:28 PM
 
Location: London
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I suspect the reason is there is no profit in universal health care. Think about it; the "ACA" (aka Obamacare) was written by the health insurance lobby. The law ensures that profits for health "insurers" are 10% of money spent on medical care for their clients. So where is there an incentive to control costs? I bet an insurance company would rather pay out 200K for a procedure rather than 100k.

90% of the people in the "health care" industry do not provide direct patient care.

There is no way to screw over Americans with universal health care therefore it will never happen.
Well said. The only people with the power to implement universal healthcare just so happen to all have their hands deeply in the healthcare/pharma $$$ honeypots.

The elites would be much more unwilling to part from an established cash cow than they would to forego the opportunity for one in the first place. Humans would much rather NOT GET something than lose something they already have.

That's why it's so easy to convince Americans to stick with the same shoddy system instead of voting for one that's very possibly superior. Simply threaten them with the prospect of loss (of choice, tax dollars, convenience), whether the premises behind such claims hold water or not.

 
Old 10-17-2019, 07:37 PM
 
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because America thinks everything has to make a "profit"
Profit is what motivates people to work, innovate,create, etc.
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....damn social consciousnesses or what is moral.
How is it moral to make your healthy neighbor poorer to pay for your life of self-abuse?


Any health care system run by the us fed govt is going to look like the post office with lab coats, wait times like a DMV and the IRS for a billing dept. So careful what you wish for Dorothy this isnt Sweden no matter how many times you click your heels.
 
Old 10-17-2019, 07:38 PM
 
Location: Brackenwood
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How anyone can lay eyes on the clown show that is Washington DC and actively wish for that circus to make their health care decisions for them is beyond me.
 
Old 10-17-2019, 07:41 PM
 
Location: London
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How anyone can lay eyes on the clown show that is Washington DC and actively wish for that circus to make their health care decisions for them is beyond me.
It definitely shouldn't be done at the federal level. Yikes, that is a disturbing thought lol.

The way Canada does it is by province/territory. That's roughly analogous to the USA doing it by state.

It could be done by county/metro area too.
 
Old 10-17-2019, 07:43 PM
 
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Why?
What a crazy idea. It's almost as if you're acting like the U.S.A. barely ranks in the top 15 for healthcare in the world yet spends double or more per capital on healthcare than every other industrialized nation. But that can't be true.....right?
 
Old 10-17-2019, 07:45 PM
 
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What a crazy idea. It's almost as if you're acting like the U.S.A. barely ranks in the top 15 for healthcare in the world yet spends double or more per capital on healthcare than every other industrialized nation. But that can't be true.....right?
Which has nothing to do with the very govt you want to turn the whole sheebang over to now does it?
 
Old 10-17-2019, 07:49 PM
 
Location: SE Asia
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Bc Conservatives would rather eff themselves than allow an immigrant to benefit from a govt program.
Actually, People are afraid of it after what Obama and the Dems did last time. Over 5 billion paid just for a website. Everyone who already had insurance got screwed. By the way have you found that good insurance for about the same price as your cellphone plan? How about for about what you pay for cable tv? The dems promised the world and delivered the Unaffordable Care Act. The most misnamed law in history and a massive tax increase aimed squarely at the middle class.

We could have had what Australia has, but no, they had to reinvent the wheel.
 
Old 10-17-2019, 08:09 PM
 
Location: Live:Downtown Phoenix, AZ/Work:Greater Los Angeles, CA
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Healthcare costs money. You buy health insurance and pay your deductibles. Doctors offices know all about this and will explain it to you.
Deductibles exceed people's discretionary income in almost all brackets these days
 
Old 10-17-2019, 08:11 PM
 
Location: Live:Downtown Phoenix, AZ/Work:Greater Los Angeles, CA
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It definitely shouldn't be done at the federal level. Yikes, that is a disturbing thought lol.

The way Canada does it is by province/territory. That's roughly analogous to the USA doing it by state.

It could be done by county/metro area too.
One of the main funding mechanisms is federal though, the GST
 
Old 10-17-2019, 08:25 PM
 
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One of the main funding mechanisms is federal though, the GST
Proof positive that liberals love taxes.
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