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Old 10-18-2019, 08:53 AM
 
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Immigrants aren't impacted? Don't they work and have insurance like the rest of us?
Eddie makes no distinction between legal immigrants and criminal illegal aliens.

 
Old 10-18-2019, 08:55 AM
 
Location: Tri STATE!!!
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Study hard and get a good job.

You will have universal healthcare.
Yep. Everybody can and will do that. Yep yep yep. Sure. We all can be white collar pros with great jobs and benifits.
 
Old 10-18-2019, 08:56 AM
 
Location: Suburb of Chicago
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Eddie makes no distinction between legal immigrants and criminal illegal aliens.
Well, that's ignorant. Why should we be saddled with insurance for criminals who don't follow our laws to enter the country?
 
Old 10-18-2019, 08:57 AM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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Yep. Everybody can and will do that. Yep yep yep. Sure. We all can be white collar pros with great jobs and benifits.
Plenty of blue collar trades jobs that earn good money PLUS have union benefits. Electricians, plumbers, teamsters, etc.
 
Old 10-18-2019, 09:01 AM
 
Location: Tri STATE!!!
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Plenty of blue collar trades jobs that earn good money PLUS have union benefits. Electricians, plumbers, teamsters, etc.
And everyone can do that as well right? Sounds like Utopia. Too bad it doesn't exist.... Better solution. Stay healthy until you pass of old age. Great plan. Sorta like playing lotto for your retirement .
 
Old 10-18-2019, 09:07 AM
 
Location: Barrington
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sure govt dicating waist sizes and BMI, what could go wrong? And maybe we could use a similiar scheme to weed out the evil blonde haired blue eyed people (or brown skinned folks depending on the team in power)
Oh and remember the carb laden USDA food pyramid that all but guaranteed obesity? Yeah those same people are going set the criteria for health care.
FYI this isn't Japan, they can keep their creepy body control scheme over there.
There is no denying the connection between excess weight, increased vulnerability and the cost of healthcare. That 75% of us are overweight/ obese, it should come as no surprise we spend more per capita on healthcare than other countries.

Japan chose to tackle the challenge head on. It is challenging for us to imagine submitting to an annual waist measure and being referred for mandatory counseling or employers paying higher taxes if they don't hit government goals. Nonetheless, it's working in Japan. They are reducing overweight/ obesity rates, while we here in the US continue to expand and are outraged by the cost of healthcare.

The American Diabetes Association estimates 1/3 of the US population is Diabetic/ pre Diabetic- an epidemic. Those with Diabetes are substantially more vulnerable to complications and that costs serious money to treat and manage.

Imagine if healthcare premiums were based on a simple waist measure. Those with measures within the so called generous healthy range would pay $0.00. The rest, currently 75% of us, would pay premiums on a scale dependent on how much greater our waist size is vs the generous healthy range. Apply the standard across the board to Medicaid and Medicare, too. Give people lead time and meaningful financial incentives to take increased responsibility for themselves.

No one would be forced to reduce. All they have to do is pay for the increased risk.

Of course, there would be exceptions for certain medical conditions, like pregnancy.
 
Old 10-18-2019, 09:12 AM
 
Location: Planet earth
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Nope. Single payer simply replaces all private insurers with a single insurer which may be private or may be government run. Currently we pay $3.2 trillion for healthcare in the US. Under single payer we would continue to pay $3.2 trillion but it would all be handled by a single insurer. This is the simplest form of single-payer. Most researchers believe that costs will come down which will means more benefits can be added at no additional costs.

You can envision other single-payer programs that offer more but cost more. The fact is, nothing is set in stone yet as to what single payer would offer and exactly how much it will cost, but it is certainly possible to have a single payer system that costs exactly the same as we pay today. Just make that a requirement and design around it.

Single payer is NOT the same as Medicare for all.

Really? So please tell me... if politicians set up a single payer system, where working person contributes to fund this program, what will keep a the very same or a different group of politicians and government officials from TAKING money out of that fund, replacing that money with IOUs just like our government currently does with Social Security and Medicare?

All federal taxes go into the general fund first and foremost. Don't take MY word for it. Go to: https://usdebtclock.org/ and at the bottom right hand corner, in red, you'll see the unfunded amounts for both Social Security and Medicare.

But hey... what's wrong with creating yet ANOTHER EVEN BIGGER program that won't have deposits go directly into it, rather that money will go into the general fund, being spent by out of control government growth, and using the scraps to pay for abysmal and minuscule health care where as President Obama said of the old lady with some major illness, that we would give her an aspirin.

THAT'S EXACTLY what you'll get with a single payer (Universal Health Care) system.


But then again, that's just MY opinion, for what it's worth.
 
Old 10-18-2019, 09:20 AM
 
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And everyone can do that as well right? Sounds like Utopia. Too bad it doesn't exist.... Better solution. Stay healthy until you pass of old age. Great plan. Sorta like playing lotto for your retirement .
So you are suggesting that the people who do make themselves valuable to society should take on the care and feeding of those who don't? And the people who can't become a professional or a craftsman are special why? Talk about an entitlement mentality.
 
Old 10-18-2019, 09:22 AM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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And everyone can do that as well right? Sounds like Utopia. Too bad it doesn't exist.... Better solution. Stay healthy until you pass of old age. Great plan. Sorta like playing lotto for your retirement .
"Life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness." Unalienable rights. Declaration of Independence. If one is unhappy with one's life circumstances, be that the state of their health or standard of living or whatever unless an illegal act has been committed against them, the onus is on them to change/improve their situation. There is no Constitutional requirement that makes anyone responsible for paying for the costs anyone else incurs in their pursuit of happiness.
 
Old 10-18-2019, 09:29 AM
 
Location: Barrington
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Exactly. The carb-heavy Fed Gov USDA Food Pyramid all but guaranteed obesity and consequently diabetes type 2, heart disease, and other obesity-related diseases epidemics. And somehow we're still supposed to trust Fed Gov to make our health care decisions? No, thanks.
The Food Pyramid was developed in Sweden in 1974. The US Food Pyramid was published in 1992, updated in 2005 and replaced in 2011. It did not include a pint of ice cream.

Those pyramids assumed levels of physical activity that offset caloric intake. We missed that part and trend couch potato, especially as we age.

It's easier for people to blame throw than take responsibility for ourselves.
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