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Old 01-13-2020, 10:34 AM
 
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Originally Posted by James Bond 007 View Post
The OP is a conservative!
Well, the OP post is completely wrong...that's a fact!.

When you watch Dutch TV, the Dutch son in law of Pelosi is on TV, acting like a non biased contributor while he is just bashing Trump and pushing the Pelosi bias.

Conservatives in the Netherlands, like we were, are still "liberals" in the US if you compare what they stand for.

We discovered that when we moved here. Now we are US conservatives, which is absolutely not comparable to Dutch conservatives.

Therefore, the OP sounds more like he is a liberal.

 
Old 01-13-2020, 10:34 AM
 
Location: Florida
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Anyone who knows Norway knows they used to be a country of poor farmers. It was so poor that it wasnt even a target during WWII.
It was occupied by Germany.
 
Old 01-13-2020, 10:38 AM
 
Location: Kansas City, MISSOURI
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Well, the OP post is completely wrong...that's a fact!
No, it's not a "fact," it depends on how you define "socialist." As many conservatives here keep telling us, "socialism" is defined as the state owning the means of production. That would make the Netherlands "capitalist," since the state owns little of the means of production.

A heavy state sector and stringent rules does necessarily mean "socialist" if you are defining it as a "socialist-capitalist" dichotomy.
 
Old 01-13-2020, 10:40 AM
 
Location: North of Canada, but not the Arctic
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Does this mean that liberals should stop drooling over predominantly white countries?
 
Old 01-13-2020, 10:41 AM
 
Location: Kansas City, MISSOURI
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Does this mean that liberals should stop drooling over predominantly white countries?
Or does it mean that conservatives should stop accusing California and New York of being socialist?
 
Old 01-13-2020, 11:12 AM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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A proof or at least rationalization is needed. The fact that nordic elites, much unlike their American counterparts, are willing to throw a juicier bone from their table to the nordic proles has nothing to do with American drumbeats.
Actually, they don't. Their tax systems are FAR less progressive than that in the US, with most actually being downright regressive. That is, in their countries, the tax burden is placed more on the middle class and low-income earners than on the elites.

More info from the Washington Post and research on the issue in this post:
How Other Developed Countries Tax and Spend
 
Old 01-13-2020, 11:13 AM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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I dont see anyone howling, and then again, why would they? The Finnish style government funded system is pretty much what they are asking for.
They have in numerous other threads, with some actually trying to insist that no one uses school choice freely available in the Nordic countries.
 
Old 01-13-2020, 11:30 AM
 
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Only far gone victims of talk radio and Fox or compound dwelling types would call those countries "socialist".
...or anyone who disagrees with me politically, or pronounces Trump's name correctly, or has ever owned a gun, etc, etc...

We get it. Anyone to the Right of Lenin and his internationalist-communism ideal is a "compound dweller" and "not a socialist". What insightful, accurate stuff.
 
Old 01-13-2020, 12:26 PM
 
Location: MD's Eastern Shore
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Anyone who knows Norway knows they used to be a country of poor farmers. It was so poor that it wasnt even a target during WWII.
Tell that to my mom who grew up on an island outside of Bergin where the Germans took their cows and practically anything else worth anything. She could see the pilots in the planes when they flew over. Norway was one of the first country's to fall under German occupation!

BTW, she can't stand Norway's healthcare. Much prefers the healthcare here. Old school immigrant who is 100% American when asked.
 
Old 01-13-2020, 12:42 PM
 
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Actually, they don't. Their tax systems are FAR less progressive than that in the US, with most actually being downright regressive. That is, in their countries, the tax burden is placed more on the middle class and low-income earners than on the elites.

More info from the Washington Post and research on the issue in this post:
How Other Developed Countries Tax and Spend
They do. Just 100 years ago
Nordic countries had gilded age American levels of inequality and poverty.

Nordic model focuses on economic security, efficiency, and productivity and believes they are connected. Lakey contrasts this to the U.S. economy model based on insecurity, high unemployment, and fear of poverty and hunger. Nordic elites do not behave as parasites pushing lower classes against the wall of necessity to squeeze a buck. That is the main difference, everything else is just a technicality.
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