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Old 01-13-2020, 09:21 AM
 
Location: Just over the horizon
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Only far gone victims of talk radio and Fox or compound dwelling types would call those countries "socialist".


Only far gone victims of CNN and MSNBC or SJW dorm and mommy's basement dwellers care about the dictionary definition of Socialism when they're attempting to defend Socialistic like policies, especially when trying to hold up Nordic counties as some sort of model.

But they always forget to add that these countries could never do what they do without American Capitalism backing up their economies.

 
Old 01-13-2020, 09:25 AM
 
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Nordic countries are not socialist.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/jeffrey.../#4877c1d374ad

Moreover most European countries are not single payer:
In the Netherlands, the top performer in-terms of ability to get a same/next day appoint and after hours care, individuals must purchase a standard insurance package from private insurers in a regulated, but competitive, market. A for-profit company is the market leader.

In France, the top performer in terms of wait times in the emergency department, universally accessible hospital care is delivered by public, not-for-profit and for-profit hospitals. In fact, about one-third of all hospitals in the country operate on a for-profit basis.

Switzerland, the top performer in terms of wait times to see a specialist, ensures universality in an environment of managed competition among insurance companies and providers of health care. Like most other countries, cost-sharing is a central feature of the Swiss system. Individuals are expected to pay a deductible before insurance kicks-in, after which a 10-20 per cent co-insurance rate applies up to an annual maximum, after which all expenses are covered.

In Germany, the top performer in terms of wait times for elective surgery, individuals can generally use social/statutory (SHI) or private (PHI) insurance to access public or private hospital care. Although 42 per cent of all hospitals operate on a for-profit basis, almost all hospital beds in the country are accessible to patients with SHI-coverage.

https://www.fraserinstitute.org/arti...-are-the-worst
"and its higher ed students use school loans"

Higher education is free (as in tax funded). The loans are for living expenses. Students are considered adults, so parents don't normally pay for that.
 
Old 01-13-2020, 09:31 AM
 
Location: Florida
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Originally Posted by eastriver View Post
Nordic countries are not socialist.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/jeffrey.../#4877c1d374ad

Moreover most European countries are not single payer:
In the Netherlands, the top performer in-terms of ability to get a same/next day appoint and after hours care, individuals must purchase a standard insurance package from private insurers in a regulated, but competitive, market. A for-profit company is the market leader.

In France, the top performer in terms of wait times in the emergency department, universally accessible hospital care is delivered by public, not-for-profit and for-profit hospitals. In fact, about one-third of all hospitals in the country operate on a for-profit basis.

Switzerland, the top performer in terms of wait times to see a specialist, ensures universality in an environment of managed competition among insurance companies and providers of health care. Like most other countries, cost-sharing is a central feature of the Swiss system. Individuals are expected to pay a deductible before insurance kicks-in, after which a 10-20 per cent co-insurance rate applies up to an annual maximum, after which all expenses are covered.

In Germany, the top performer in terms of wait times for elective surgery, individuals can generally use social/statutory (SHI) or private (PHI) insurance to access public or private hospital care. Although 42 per cent of all hospitals operate on a for-profit basis, almost all hospital beds in the country are accessible to patients with SHI-coverage.

https://www.fraserinstitute.org/arti...-are-the-worst
Practically all have universal health care, including the Netherlands, but it does not mean it is 100% taxpayer funded.
 
Old 01-13-2020, 09:48 AM
 
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Only far gone victims of CNN and MSNBC or SJW dorm and mommy's basement dwellers care about the dictionary definition of Socialism when they're attempting to defend Socialistic like policies, especially when trying to hold up Nordic counties as some sort of model.

But they always forget to add that these countries could never do what they do without American Capitalism backing up their economies.
You mean USA generously emmiting dollars in unlimited quantities and letting everybody else to work for them is a pillar holding Nordic countries afloat? Social darwinism and plutocracy is not a model in my book. Compound dwelling Bible thumping Fox viewers should get together for some hunger games, do not drag us into that.
 
Old 01-13-2020, 10:12 AM
 
Location: Central Washington
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Anyone who knows Norway knows they used to be a country of poor farmers. It was so poor that it wasnt even a target during WWII. In 1967 the country discovered oil, enough to fulfill europes demand. A country of 5 million people they have enough oil revenue for all their citizens to provide benefits
Except that time in April 1940 when the Germans invaded, and occupied Norway until May, 1945.
 
Old 01-13-2020, 10:15 AM
 
Location: Just over the horizon
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You mean USA generously emmiting dollars in unlimited quantities and letting everybody else to work for them is a pillar holding Nordic countries afloat? Social darwinism and plutocracy is not a model in my book. Compound dwelling Bible thumping Fox viewers should get together for some hunger games, do not drag us into that.


b-whacky, is that you?


The global economy, including these little Nordic models of Socialism, would not be able to to function in anything like their current form, without American Capitalism driving the drumbeat.

“The inherent vice of capitalism is the unequal sharing of blessings; the inherent virtue of socialism is the equal sharing of miseries.”

- Winston Churchill.
 
Old 01-13-2020, 10:24 AM
 
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Nordic countries are not socialist.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/jeffrey.../#4877c1d374ad

Moreover most European countries are not single payer:
In the Netherlands, the top performer in-terms of ability to get a same/next day appoint and after hours care, individuals must purchase a standard insurance package from private insurers in a regulated, but competitive, market. A for-profit company is the market leader.

In France, the top performer in terms of wait times in the emergency department, universally accessible hospital care is delivered by public, not-for-profit and for-profit hospitals. In fact, about one-third of all hospitals in the country operate on a for-profit basis.

Switzerland, the top performer in terms of wait times to see a specialist, ensures universality in an environment of managed competition among insurance companies and providers of health care. Like most other countries, cost-sharing is a central feature of the Swiss system. Individuals are expected to pay a deductible before insurance kicks-in, after which a 10-20 per cent co-insurance rate applies up to an annual maximum, after which all expenses are covered.

In Germany, the top performer in terms of wait times for elective surgery, individuals can generally use social/statutory (SHI) or private (PHI) insurance to access public or private hospital care. Although 42 per cent of all hospitals operate on a for-profit basis, almost all hospital beds in the country are accessible to patients with SHI-coverage.

https://www.fraserinstitute.org/arti...-are-the-worst
I'm originally from the Netherlands and can only say that your thread and post misses, everything I ever experienced in he Netherlands. None of my Dutch friends and family can even back up your claim.

The Netherlands is a socialist country that even has rules for the max income that can't be higher than the Prime Minister as that was implemented under a prior Prime minister.

Clearly, the Netherlands is a socialist country.

The after hours care, must be a dream of you, or maybe given to illegals but for sure not to the Dutch people.

Another fake news post/thread of a liberal!

https://www.government.nl/topics/sen...sector-incomes

"Term Balkenendenorm not used
In the Netherlands, the Balkenendenorm (Balkenende standard) is a commonly used term. It is named after Jan Peter Balkenende, prime minister of the Netherlands from 2002 to 2010. In practice, it refers not to one, but to various salary standards. This makes the term confusing, so the government doesn’t use it."

But the public uses that as it was a clear sign to the public that no longer anyone could make more than the Bakenedenorm, or better said anyone making more would be publicly lynched in the media!

Balkenede is often referred to as the "Harry Potter" Prime Minister of the Netherlands.
 
Old 01-13-2020, 10:26 AM
 
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b-whacky, is that you?


The global economy, including these little Nordic models of Socialism, would not be able to to function in anything like their current form, without American Capitalism driving the drumbeat.

“The inherent vice of capitalism is the unequal sharing of blessings; the inherent virtue of socialism is the equal sharing of miseries.”

- Winston Churchill.
A proof or at least rationalization is needed. The fact that nordic elites, much unlike their American counterparts, are willing to throw a juicier bone from their table to the nordic proles has nothing to do with American drumbeats.
 
Old 01-13-2020, 10:28 AM
 
Location: Kansas City, MISSOURI
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I'm originally from the Netherlands and can only say that your thread and post misses, everything I ever experienced in he Netherlands. None of my Dutch friends and family can even back up your claim.

The Netherlands is a socialist country that even has rules for the max income that can't be higher than the Prime Minister as that was implemented under a prior Prime minister.

Clearly, the Netherlands is a socialist country.

The after hours care, must be a dream of you, or maybe given to illegals but for sure not to the Dutch people.

Another fake news post/thread of a liberal!
The OP is a conservative!
 
Old 01-13-2020, 10:32 AM
 
Location: Florida
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So does Finland. Lefties howl with rage when I point that out. They don't want US kids to be able to choose better schools. Better to keep as many as possible dumb and therefore poor. The poor overwhelmingly vote Dem.
I dont see anyone howling, and then again, why would they? The Finnish style government funded system is pretty much what they are asking for.
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