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Old 01-13-2020, 08:37 AM
 
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Nordic countries are not socialist.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/jeffrey.../#4877c1d374ad

Moreover most European countries are not single payer:
In the Netherlands, the top performer in-terms of ability to get a same/next day appoint and after hours care, individuals must purchase a standard insurance package from private insurers in a regulated, but competitive, market. A for-profit company is the market leader.

In France, the top performer in terms of wait times in the emergency department, universally accessible hospital care is delivered by public, not-for-profit and for-profit hospitals. In fact, about one-third of all hospitals in the country operate on a for-profit basis.

Switzerland, the top performer in terms of wait times to see a specialist, ensures universality in an environment of managed competition among insurance companies and providers of health care. Like most other countries, cost-sharing is a central feature of the Swiss system. Individuals are expected to pay a deductible before insurance kicks-in, after which a 10-20 per cent co-insurance rate applies up to an annual maximum, after which all expenses are covered.

In Germany, the top performer in terms of wait times for elective surgery, individuals can generally use social/statutory (SHI) or private (PHI) insurance to access public or private hospital care. Although 42 per cent of all hospitals operate on a for-profit basis, almost all hospital beds in the country are accessible to patients with SHI-coverage.

https://www.fraserinstitute.org/arti...-are-the-worst

 
Old 01-13-2020, 08:49 AM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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Nordic countries have no minimum wage laws. Sweden uses school vouchers; and its higher ed students use school loans.
So does Finland. Lefties howl with rage when I point that out. They don't want US kids to be able to choose better schools. Better to keep as many as possible dumb and therefore poor. The poor overwhelmingly vote Dem.
 
Old 01-13-2020, 08:50 AM
 
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Only far gone victims of talk radio and Fox or compound dwelling types would call those countries "socialist".
 
Old 01-13-2020, 08:52 AM
 
Location: King County, WA
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Three nations with a comprehensive welfare state and high portion of unionized work forces don't have a minimum wage? Fancy that.
 
Old 01-13-2020, 08:53 AM
 
Location: Kansas City, MISSOURI
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And yet, when a liberal on this forum, or a liberal politician such as Sanders, says they want to emulate European nations, they're accused of being socialist.
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Originally Posted by eastriver View Post
Nordic countries are not socialist.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/jeffrey.../#4877c1d374ad

Moreover most European countries are not single payer:
In the Netherlands, the top performer in-terms of ability to get a same/next day appoint and after hours care, individuals must purchase a standard insurance package from private insurers in a regulated, but competitive, market. A for-profit company is the market leader.

In France, the top performer in terms of wait times in the emergency department, universally accessible hospital care is delivered by public, not-for-profit and for-profit hospitals. In fact, about one-third of all hospitals in the country operate on a for-profit basis.

Switzerland, the top performer in terms of wait times to see a specialist, ensures universality in an environment of managed competition among insurance companies and providers of health care. Like most other countries, cost-sharing is a central feature of the Swiss system. Individuals are expected to pay a deductible before insurance kicks-in, after which a 10-20 per cent co-insurance rate applies up to an annual maximum, after which all expenses are covered.

In Germany, the top performer in terms of wait times for elective surgery, individuals can generally use social/statutory (SHI) or private (PHI) insurance to access public or private hospital care. Although 42 per cent of all hospitals operate on a for-profit basis, almost all hospital beds in the country are accessible to patients with SHI-coverage.

https://www.fraserinstitute.org/arti...-are-the-worst
 
Old 01-13-2020, 08:58 AM
 
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And yet, when a liberal on this forum, or a liberal politician such as Sanders, says they want to emulate European nations, they're accused of being socialist.
Sanders (D-VT) actually refers to himself as a Socialist, as do his adherents.

It's even more telling they lack the education to properly refer to what it means to be a socialist: China (self described as "Socialist with Chinese characteristics"); DPRK; USSR (Union of Soviet Socialist Republics); Cuba; Warsaw Pact, including the German Democratic Republic; Democratic Kampuchea; Albania;....

Sanders took his new bride to honeymoon in the USSR.
 
Old 01-13-2020, 09:05 AM
 
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Three nations with a comprehensive welfare state and high portion of unionized work forces don't have a minimum wage? Fancy that.
No minimum wage and welfare reforms push European countries in the direction USA went. Inequality is through the roof, averages stagnate, those at the bottom face serious deprivations. Germany is a poster child for Americanization of labor market, and it does not have minimum wage. Global plutocracy is a hungry beast.
 
Old 01-13-2020, 09:07 AM
 
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Anyone who knows Norway knows they used to be a country of poor farmers. It was so poor that it wasnt even a target during WWII. In 1967 the country discovered oil, enough to fulfill europes demand. A country of 5 million people they have enough oil revenue for all their citizens to provide benefits
 
Old 01-13-2020, 09:10 AM
 
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Anyone who knows Norway knows they used to be a country of poor farmers. It was so poor that it wasnt even a target during WWII. In 1967 the country discovered oil, enough to fulfill europes demand. A country of 5 million people they have enough oil revenue for all their citizens to provide benefits
What until Norwegians are all told to retrain for a post hydrocarbon future.
 
Old 01-13-2020, 09:16 AM
 
Location: London
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If it's not socialism, why not apply the Dutch healthcare model to the US?

Also, Norway doesn't need minimum wage laws because of the much stronger union culture. Unions set minimum wages for their respective industries. Also, Norwegian customers are less inclined to support businesses known locally for treating employees like slaves.

There is also a stronger social safety net in general, resulting in fewer people so desperate for any job that they'd accept sweatshop wages.
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