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Old 03-30-2020, 08:29 AM
 
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OK. Then that should have been what you said in your original post. That is something we can have an honest discussion about. But saying that he called the virus a hoax is dishonest, and is something that the left keeps saying. Why are they being dishonest? Well, that is obvious.
He called the threat of the virus to our country as it was being portrayed by the non-Fox/talk radio/right wing blog media a hoax. He wasn't just talking about he media attacking HIS response..that's what he said LATER.

The original spin was that the media was raising hysteria to hurt the economy and therefore his election chances.

That's the crux of what actually happened. His spin down the road doesn't change that.

Saying that amounts to any less than downplaying the threat takes some serious cognitive gyrations.
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Old 03-30-2020, 08:30 AM
 
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Not my link. I quoted a post that has since been deleted.
That was the link of the OP that was not playing correctly.
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Old 03-30-2020, 08:34 AM
 
Location: NJ/NY
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He called the threat of the virus to our country as it was being portrayed by the non-Fox/talk radio/right wing blog media a hoax. He wasn't just talking about he media attacking HIS response..that's what he said LATER.

The original spin was that the media was raising hysteria to hurt the economy and therefore his election chances.

That's the crux of what actually happened. His spin down the road doesn't change that.

Saying that amounts to any less than downplaying the threat takes some serious cognitive gyrations.
He was saying the criticism of him was a hoax, just like the democratic Russia hoax, and the democratic impeachment hoax. Now we can argue about whether or not all of these things were actually hoaxes, but that is the context in which he said it. Somehow equating it to the actual virus being a hoax takes some serious cognitive gyrations.
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Old 03-30-2020, 08:36 AM
 
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That was the link of the OP that was not playing correctly.
OK. It played fine for me. Sorry for the confusion.
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Old 03-30-2020, 08:39 AM
 
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He was saying the criticism of him was a hoax, just like the democratic Russia hoax, and the democratic impeachment hoax. Now we can argue about whether or not all of these things wee actually hoaxes, but that is the context in which he said it. Somehow equating it to the actual virus being a hoax takes some serious cognitive gyrations.
The criticism at the time was that he was not doing enough to prepare and combat the virus. Saying that this type of criticism is a "hoax" is the same as saying that his administration's preparation were adequate. Coupled with his statement that they had done "amazing" job and that "we're 15 people [cases of infection] in this massive country" "because of the fact that we went early" is definitely downplaying and dismissing the risk of a pandemic.

So, no, he didn't call the virus itself a hoax. But anyone with two neurons to rub together can see that he was completely dismissing it as a non-threat and, in that manner, may as well have called it a hoax because it meant the same thing.
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Old 03-30-2020, 08:40 AM
 
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Much of the media are disgusting. Those that side with these media clowns are no better. Look at all the mindless comments of hate hate hate here on CD for example.

Many comments are not simply in disagreement of his policies. Many are full of rage. There are liberals and democrats and those that won’t vote for Trump that agree with me.

Some remind me of someone that might want to do physical harm to the president.
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Old 03-30-2020, 08:42 AM
 
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Can you link to that quote from CNN?
"Trump says if number of deaths are 100,000 the country is doing good."

That's the line CNN kept on the screen during the later part of the news conference. Every point made by the doctors or the Admiral was almost immediately followed with that line. In other words, they showed that as every other bulletin point or close to it.

I watched the entire briefing on CNN.
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Old 03-30-2020, 08:46 AM
 
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The criticism at the time was that he was not doing enough to prepare and combat the virus. Saying that this type of criticism is a "hoax" is the same as saying that his administration's preparation were adequate. Coupled with his statement that they had done "amazing" job and that "we're 15 people [cases of infection] in this massive country" "because of the fact that we went early" is definitely downplaying and dismissing the risk of a pandemic.

So, no, he didn't call the virus itself a hoax. But anyone with two neurons to rub together can see that he was completely dismissing it as a non-threat and, in that manner, may as well have called it a hoax because it meant the same thing.
As I said to the other poster, if that is your belief, then say that. Saying that he called the virus a hoax, as that commercial did, is a dishonest repackaging of what he actually said, with nefarious intent.
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Old 03-30-2020, 08:46 AM
 
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He was saying the criticism of him was a hoax, just like the democratic Russia hoax, and the democratic impeachment hoax. Now we can argue about whether or not all of these things were actually hoaxes, but that is the context in which he said it. Somehow equating it to the actual virus being a hoax takes some serious cognitive gyrations.
He never said the virus itself was a hoax. He downplayed the threat, it was not just about the media's portrayal of how he handled it.

Let's establish something:

Did Trump downplay the threat of this virus to the country or not?

If you say no, with all due respect, you're full of it.

If the answer is yes, which it is to any sane person, why did he downplay it?

Answer: because he feared the ramifications of it on his re-election chances.

The material is there to 100% prove that point before the election.

right now is not the time to be running these ads and there is no need to clip the quotes.
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Old 03-30-2020, 08:48 AM
 
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He called the threat of the virus to our country as it was being portrayed by the non-Fox/talk radio/right wing blog media a hoax. He wasn't just talking about he media attacking HIS response..that's what he said LATER.

The original spin was that the media was raising hysteria to hurt the economy and therefore his election chances.

That's the crux of what actually happened. His spin down the road doesn't change that.

Saying that amounts to any less than downplaying the threat takes some serious cognitive gyrations.
And that's why POTUSs need to be specific and careful in the way they word their statements. American are all levels of comprehension. There is no way to tell how each word will be received.

The current POTUS was trained to negotiate real estate transactions. Those are purposely vague.

DH spent some time buying businesses for his employer. Keeping the other off balance and wondering what the next proposal would be was part of the game.

That's not the way to run a government. Or pass on information to citizens.
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