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Old 04-03-2020, 01:36 PM
 
Location: Elysium
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But he didn't put anyone at risk with his actions. Others have created fake drama by saying he did. The inaction by others is putting those under him at risk.

Not that you are saying it, but it's garbage to say that it made US forces vulnerable to an attack. Bats could fly out my backside but that isn't going to happen either.
The ship is deployed for a reason . By his actions the Captain has made that ship less of a threat thus not doing its job of showing the big stick is ready to strike should you start feeling frisky.

You can say that there is never any real threat, so then why should the USN keep 10 (since we know the Roosevelt can't do her job) of these very expensive systems in commission? But while they are in commission and out there doing the job neither a local commander or corpsman in a damage control station can be allowed to make national policy less effective by telling all those that stick is to be waved at that she can't do it..
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Old 04-03-2020, 01:39 PM
 
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The sailors cheered for him though...

https://thehill.com/policy/defense/4...-for-help-with
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Old 04-03-2020, 01:50 PM
 
Location: Elysium
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The sailors cheered for him though...

https://thehill.com/policy/defense/4...-for-help-with
Well he doesn't work for the sailors. He works for the United States of America and his primary job is to provide a unit that other folks will be scared to take on. They are less fearful of USS Roosevelt right now.
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Old 04-03-2020, 01:58 PM
 
Location: Philadelphia
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I'd be interested in learning more about the facts of the matter and how far up his chain of command he went before mass cc'ing people on that e-mail.

It sounded like his superiors were insisting that he follow isolation procedures for those infected (which I believe were seven). I'm not sure what the severity of symptoms of the infected were, whether he had no confidence in being able to contain the spread or treat the infected, or whether his medical staff were becoming infected (thus posing a much broader risk to the crew); however, I'm sure he would've been able to medevac anyone with severe symptoms if he had to (I hear that carriers have helicopters!). I'm also wondering if his superiors did an about-face or were ordered to let him dock in Guam once the e-mail was leaked or whether he docked without permission.

The military is expected to keep up their defense posture in the face of adversity, and it would be a bad look if he had taken the issue high up his chain of command prior to the leak and they decided to let him dock due to the fallout of the leak.

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Old 04-03-2020, 02:01 PM
 
Location: Pacific Northwest
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The video of sailors cheering for Captain Crozier was really heart-warming. He didn't lose the confidence of men on his ship at all, he never should have been fired.
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Old 04-03-2020, 02:07 PM
 
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The video of sailors cheering for Captain Crozier was really heart-warming. He didn't lose the confidence of men on his ship at all, he never should have been fired.
The person who told our enemies that one of our major battle groups is out of commission should not be fired?
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Old 04-03-2020, 02:10 PM
 
Location: Cali
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I'd be interested in learning more about the facts of the matter and how far up his chain of command he went before mass cc'ing people on that e-mail.

It sounded like his superiors were insisting that he follow isolation procedures for those infected (which I believe were seven). I'm not sure what the severity of symptoms of the infected were or whether his medical staff were becoming infected (thus posing a much broader risk to the crew), but I'm sure he would've been able to medevac anyone with severe symptoms (I hear that carriers have helicopters!). I'm also wondering if his superiors did an about-face or were ordered to let him dock in Guam once the e-mail was leaked or whether he decided to dock without permission. The military is expected to keep their defense posture in the face of adversity, and it would be a bad look if he had taken the issue high up the chain of command prior to the leak and they decided to let him dock after the leak.
i'm an OIF veteran with 2 tours oversea.


If my platoon is about to run out of ammo during a fire fight and my higher up command would not send in reinforcement or CAS (for whatever reason), do you think i'm going to Facebook live and air it out? What is that going to do? that will give the enemy extra motivation to run us over because they found out from facebook live that my platoon is running dry on ammo.


It's the same thing with USS Theodore. Do you want the enemy of United States to know that one of our aircraft carriers is inoperable because of the coronavirus?


There is a reason why in the military we have military discipline and chain-of-command. It's there for a reason.
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Old 04-03-2020, 02:11 PM
 
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I'd be interested in learning more about the facts of the matter and how far up his chain of command he went before mass cc'ing people on that e-mail.

It sounded like his superiors were insisting that he follow isolation procedures for those infected (which I believe were seven). I'm not sure what the severity of symptoms of the infected were, whether he had no confidence in being able to contain the spread or treat the infected, or whether his medical staff were becoming infected (thus posing a much broader risk to the crew); however, I'm sure he would've been able to medevac anyone with severe symptoms if he had to (I hear that carriers have helicopters!). I'm also wondering if his superiors did an about-face or were ordered to let him dock in Guam once the e-mail was leaked or whether he docked without permission.

The military is expected to keep up their defense posture in the face of adversity, and it would be a bad look if he had taken the issue high up his chain of command prior to the leak and they decided to let him dock due to the fallout of the leak.
Nobody ever reads anything before voicing his opinions.

He sent the email to 30 different individuals!

“Speaking at a news conference Thursday evening, Acting Navy Secretary Thomas Modly said Crozier was removed from his post because he sent the letter over "non-secure unclassified email" to a "broad array of people" rather than up the chain of command.”
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Old 04-03-2020, 02:15 PM
 
Location: Philadelphia
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i'm an OIF veteran with 2 tours oversea.


If my platoon is about to run out of ammo during a fire fight and my higher up command would not send in reinforcement or CAS (for whatever reason), do you think i'm going to Facebook live and air it out? What is that going to do? that will give the enemy extra motivation to run us over because they found out from facebook live that my platoon is running dry on ammo.


It's the same thing with USS Theodore. Do you want the enemy of United States to know that one of our aircraft carriers is inoperable because of the coronavirus?


There is a reason why in the military we have military discipline and chain-of-command. It's there for a reason.
I don't disagree with you at all. What I'm mostly wondering is:

1) How far up he went in his chain of command prior to him sending his mass cc'd e-mail;
2) What the details of the infection and his thought process were; and
3) Whether the fallout of the leak played a role in the decision to let him dock in Guam.
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Old 04-03-2020, 02:16 PM
 
Location: Philadelphia
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Nobody ever reads anything before voicing his opinions.

He sent the email to 30 different individuals!

“Speaking at a news conference Thursday evening, Acting Navy Secretary Thomas Modly said Crozier was removed from his post because he sent the letter over "non-secure unclassified email" to a "broad array of people" rather than up the chain of command.”
Read the first sentence in my post again.
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