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Old 04-03-2020, 11:07 PM
 
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I hope they dick us over on some trade or threaten to back out of our trade deal. I think we need to be fair to our trade partners especially on this hemisphere. Trade goes both ways folks.
Again, China and Mexico are exempt from this per Peter Navarro.

 
Old 04-03-2020, 11:09 PM
 
Location: North Pacific
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Actually they keep the profits in lower tax countries and do not pay US taxes on them (Look at apple untill Trump reduced coporate tax rate).

Nowadays biggest reason for US companies manufacturing in China isn't for labor cost but for access to the chinese market. China for years had tariffs and non financial barriers that are tougher than the tariffs that prevent being able to export much there profitably. Instead for access to the chinese market you have to manufacture there, do a 50/50 joint venture with a chinese company, and share your technology. Our politicians let them get away with this.
Hard to believe they are not made to pay u.s. tax, like expats ... so I learned something new. Is that all countries or just China ... ? I ask because it was something I had a lead on once ... u.s. companies in Venezuela, Africa Countries, etc ... you know ... shole countries, to quote the potus.
 
Old 04-03-2020, 11:10 PM
 
Location: Honolulu/DMV Area/NYC
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I provided accurate links in my OP
No, you did not provide the actual order, hence my post.
 
Old 04-03-2020, 11:12 PM
 
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Hard to believe they are not made to pay u.s. tax, like expats ... so I learned something new. Is that all countries or just China ... ? I ask because it was something I had a lead on once ... u.s. companies in Venezuela, Africa Countries, etc ... you know ... shole countries, to quote the potus.
https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2...s-profits-tax/

It's a massive amount of money. Not just china - again US companies are manufacturing in China largely as it is only way for them to access to China's massive population that has a rapidly expanding middle class.
 
Old 04-03-2020, 11:13 PM
 
Location: deafened by howls of 'racism!!!'
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Sorry, it appears you're mistaken about "K10S pulp" as being a necessary ingredient in surgical masks. Masks are made from synthetic materials, not paper.

This is straight from the data sheet of the 3M 1860S, N95 mask. https://multimedia.3m.com/mws/media/...INAL_V4_R5.pdf

Material Composition
• Straps – Braided Polyisoprene
• Staples – Steel
• Nose Clip – Aluminum
• Nose Foam – Polyurethane Foam
• Filter – Polypropylene
• Shell – Polyester
• Coverweb - Polypropylene
• Not made with natural rubber latex
• Approximate weight of product: 0.40 oz.

Here are a few more sources on the construction of masks that all say they're made from Polypropylene and other synthetics.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surgical_mask
https://utrf.tennessee.edu/informati...ask-materials/
https://www.thomasnet.com/articles/o...asks-are-made/


Maybe the box is made from paper.
ouch. that’s gonna leave a mark.
wonder why OP ignored it?
 
Old 04-03-2020, 11:21 PM
 
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So Trump orders 3M not to export any 3M masks to Canada, or anywhere else.
https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/...o-retaliation/
Tough guy right? Hoorah, 'Murcia first and all that jazz. Except Trump, of course, doesn't think this out. Where does he think the materials come from, fairy dust?

It comes from a specialist K10S pulp... from a mil in CANADA! By the way, but NO other mill produces it.
https://www.vicnews.com/business/nan...sks-and-gowns/
Not only that, 3M was importing masks it makes in China to the USA.
https://www.businessinsider.com/3m-c...company-2020-4

It's a shame the USA has such an incompetent President. But if supplies from China will need to be diverted, so be it. I wonder if bone spurs affect neuron transmissions?

LOL.
 
Old 04-03-2020, 11:23 PM
 
Location: North Pacific
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Hard to believe they are not made to pay u.s. tax, like expats ... so I learned something new. Is that all countries or just China ... ? I ask because it was something I had a lead on once ... u.s. companies in Venezuela, Africa Countries, etc ... you know ... shole countries, to quote the potus.
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https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2...s-profits-tax/

It's a massive amount of money. Not just china - again US companies are manufacturing in China largely as it is only way for them to access to China's massive population that has a rapidly expanding middle class.
wow ... ty.
 
Old 04-03-2020, 11:29 PM
 
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Well... that's a quick reversal because initially, it specifically mentioned Canada and Mexico. I showed my citations... can you show yours? Dr. Google shows nothing of the sort.
Peter Navarro was on Tucker Carlson at 8:30pm tonight talking about this order and he specifically stated the exemptions for Canada and Mexico.
Peter Navarro is in charge of all things related to the defense production act and has been one of trumps right hand guys for most of the trade deal negotiations, so this is straight from the horse's mouth.
 
Old 04-03-2020, 11:35 PM
 
Location: The Heart of Dixie
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So Trump orders 3M not to export any 3M masks to Canada, or anywhere else.
https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/...o-retaliation/
Tough guy right? Hoorah, 'Murcia first and all that jazz. Except Trump, of course, doesn't think this out. Where does he think the materials come from, fairy dust?

It comes from a specialist K10S pulp... from a mil in CANADA! By the way, but NO other mill produces it.
https://www.vicnews.com/business/nan...sks-and-gowns/
Not only that, 3M was importing masks it makes in China to the USA.
https://www.businessinsider.com/3m-c...company-2020-4

It's a shame the USA has such an incompetent President. But if supplies from China will need to be diverted, so be it. I wonder if bone spurs affect neuron transmissions?
The source of all this, once again for y'all liberals, is the decimation of American manufacturing in general due to unfair trade agreements that YOU people have signed, such as NAFTA and the TPP and allowing China in the WTO. We need to bring our supply chains for medical supplies BACK to the USA. It's no longer just about protecting American jobs, which of course is important, its about our own vital national interests and national security. Even with the Defense Production Act, we hardly make anything in this country anymore. You go anywhere in the Rust Belt, you see dying towns and cities, widespread abandonment and hopelessness. Ohio and Pennsylvania are a combination of crumbling former factories and dying coal towns due to unfair trade and government overregulation and globalist policies.

Maybe finally after this we will bring some manufacturing, at least medications and medical supplies back to our own country vs depend on the whims of foreign nations.
 
Old 04-03-2020, 11:37 PM
 
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Again, China and Mexico are exempt from this per Peter Navarro.
Again, this is your assertion. Show us a link we can see what was said. I linked and referenced all my assertions in the OP.
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