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Old 04-11-2020, 06:09 PM
 
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I'm pretty sure he did not ever really have anything. I'm pretty sure Tom Hanks didn't either for that matter.

The MSM lies to you on purpose about hundreds of things though, but few people actually stop to ponder what the ramifications of that really are. People want to believe they are not being lied to I guess, because they don't want to believe they are being manipulated and played on a grand scale by malevolent interests.
Why Tom Hanks and his wife of all people?

Do you think there are any HC workers that cared for these folks that are all in on this theory, or might have something to say?

 
Old 04-11-2020, 06:32 PM
 
Location: Toronto
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The REAL trick is determining how meaningful the 1% number is. If the disease is being chronically under-diagnosed, then the mortality rate is lower (assuming that the untested positive rate is higher than the untested death rate, which is quite reasonable) and quite likely significantly lower.
You are not taking into consideration the people who are dying of the disease, but who were not tested for it and have the official cause of death “heart failure,” or something like that. Just as there are ghost cases all over the place, there have also been plenty of ghost deaths.

https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/loca...nting/2368678/

For those still minimizing the danger of the disease because they haven’t done enough reading to see how allowing it to spread unchecked would destroy the economy anyways, they probably also haven’t learned that those studying the disease have determined it may cause serious long-term health issues, including damage to the heart, lungs, liver, and kidneys. I’m not talking about mild damage, but serious damage that will greatly reduce people’s’ quality of life and their life expectancy.

https://www.ft.com/content/e593e7d4-...7-426eee43bcbc
https://www.imperial.ac.uk/news/1962...likely-impact/
https://www.latimes.com/science/stor...he-heart-liver

If you have no underlying health conditions and are under 40, your chance of dying is still close to 1%. However, throw in hypertension, which millions of people have, and the death rate jumps to 6%.

https://www.businessinsider.com/coro...-cancer-2020-2

If that isn’t bad enough, it also seems that those who have ‘recovered’ from the disease are prone to relapse. Doctors don’t understand the virus well enough to know why this is happening, but it is. People who recovered from a Covid infection are getting sick again weeks later. But there are more toppings on this poop sundae: there appears to be more than one strain going around, one of which (the one ravaging Italy and Spain, for example) seems to be far deadlier with a mortality rate of 2-4%. And for the cherry on top, doctors and researchers are not sure if having the virus actually creates significant immunity, and any vaccine developed would have to be taken annually or even be able to protect against the current strains and any others that might arise as the virus mutates. It is entirely plausible that an even more virulent strain - something with the mortality rate of SARS or MERS but the infectiousness of Covid-19 - could rear its ugly head in the near future.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-h...-idUSKCN21S15X
https://www.theatlantic.com/health/a...accine/607000/

What has happened to the economy and everyday life is an unbelievable tragedy, but allowing the disease to spread unchecked would be worse. I don’t know what it’s going to take for some people to grasp that.

Here are some articles and graphics that might help, but I’m not hopeful. There are still too many people who think this disease is some kind of scam.

https://www.vox.com/science-and-heal...mparison-chart
https://www.statnews.com/2020/04/09/...uses-of-death/
https://informationisbeautiful.net/v...phic-datapack/
https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/loca...nting/2368678/
 
Old 04-11-2020, 07:05 PM
 
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Our real known number is 18,430 deaths to 26,783 recovered. So a 41% death rate...

Which really just describes our utter failure at testing rather than a reflection of odds of death.
But news is reporting hospitals are being flooded with people with symptoms. Surely lots of people are getting tested.
 
Old 04-11-2020, 07:07 PM
 
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7 Billion + people in the world. so far at the height of the fury, 100,000 people have died. Many of them with terminal illness already and it did not accelerate their passing, but they get counted as part of the virus's wrath.
The words, "from" King Flu and "with" Kung Flu are being conflated and placed into the "scare the hell out of them" box.


Do the math. 7 Billion and 100,000 have died.
100,000 divided by 7 Billion........
Statistics matter.
Or it could mean we kept from spreading.
 
Old 04-11-2020, 07:13 PM
 
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1% is not even the actual number its probably far lower. What we do not know is how many people got the virus and never got sick or never got sick enough to go in and get tested. Once those studies are done, a lot more people who have had their business ruined or their investment destroyed are going to be hopping mad.
Basically there is only one solution. Let everyone out. Let the virus spread as much as possible. Then gather the data.
 
Old 04-11-2020, 07:16 PM
 
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Yes but if we can just save one life out of 10,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000, it's worth ending the world as we know and creating extreme hardship and even death for the rest of us.
Nah, you're right. But you go first.

Bye bye.
 
Old 04-11-2020, 09:58 PM
 
Location: Houston
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I'm pretty sure he did not ever really have anything. I'm pretty sure Tom Hanks didn't either for that matter.

The MSM lies to you on purpose about hundreds of things though, but few people actually stop to ponder what the ramifications of that really are. People want to believe they are not being lied to I guess, because they don't want to believe they are being manipulated and played on a grand scale by malevolent interests.
Please, If you think for one moment that Johnson wasn’t seriously I’ll w the virus I don’t know what to say.
 
Old 04-12-2020, 07:29 AM
 
Location: Omaha, Nebraska
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That's not how it works.

The Laws of Economics apply to healthcare whether people like it or not.

Medical staff, medical equipment, medical supplies, time and space, those do not exist in infinite quantities.

Your survival rate is dependent in part on the availability of doctors and nurses to treat you with the necessary medical equipment and medical supplies.

Once your hospitals are overwhelmed, it's over.

There are more patients than doctors and nurses could possibly treat in an hour, much less a day, there aren't enough ventilators and you burned through all the medical supplies, because later on organs start shutting down.

Even if you manufactured 100% of your medical supplies in the US, every hospital is screaming for them and you can't manufacture or ship them fast enough.

Just-in-Time-Inventory works great when you don't have a crisis, but when you need that injection now, right now to save your life, arriving tomorrow on UPS Next-Day-Air just doesn't get it.

The hospitals in Italy are overwhelmed and that's why they have 322 deaths per Million instead of 61 deaths per Million like in the US.

Should your hospitals get overwhelmed, then you'll have 322 deaths per Million just like Italy.
It’s amazing that so many people don’t understand this. If we relax restrictions too soon (or apply them too late, as NYC did), many people who would have survived if they’d had access to treatment are going to die. No healthcare system is designed to cope with a pandemic.
 
Old 04-12-2020, 07:53 AM
 
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It’s amazing that so many people don’t understand this. If we relax restrictions too soon (or apply them too late, as NYC did), many people who would have survived if they’d had access to treatment are going to die. No healthcare system is designed to cope with a pandemic.
Good. This will open up their estates to their relatives.

Right now there are tons of elderly who have vast estates they plan to use to stuggle to stay alive. If they do early it will be an economic boom.
 
Old 04-12-2020, 09:43 AM
 
Location: Houston
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Good. This will open up their estates to their relatives.

Right now there are tons of elderly who have vast estates they plan to use to stuggle to stay alive. If they do early it will be an economic boom.
Sadly, I don't think ya joking.
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