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Old 04-27-2020, 01:12 PM
 
Location: Top of the South, NZ
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Pretty much every religion promotes a cosmic entity that'll torture the non-believers in the afterlife. That dog won't hunt.
Then they're all my enemies - but if they want to turn the streets, parks and even the land I live on, into a place to broadcast their hate to, then they're enemies that justify the use of force against.

 
Old 04-27-2020, 01:13 PM
 
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I equate anyone who supports belief systems that boasts of eternal suffering for non believers (or even people who dare to believe differently) to Nazis.
What a weird comparison. Of all the ideologies you have to choose from, you pick one that doesn't have much of a coherent supernatural belief system, much less one that dealt with a different fates in the afterlife.

The Nazis, on the other hand, did have very firm views on enforcing who should be allowed to speak in the public square and who shouldn't. Are you familiar with the concept of psychological projection?
 
Old 04-27-2020, 01:14 PM
 
Location: Live:Downtown Phoenix, AZ/Work:Greater Los Angeles, CA
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https://www.mprnews.org/story/2020/0...during-ramadan



You literally can't make this up. I mean...there just aren't any words whatsoever.


People snicker at my location (Mogadishu), but maybe it's not so laughable, eh?


Meanwhile, Christian churches in Minneapolis have been shuttered.


Nope, nothing to see here.
^Here we go again
 
Old 04-27-2020, 01:15 PM
 
Location: Top of the South, NZ
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There’s supposed to be separation of church and state. In this case, the local council exempted Muslims from noise ordinances so they could blast Muslim doctrine at a high decibel level throughout public streets. Even at 5 a.m.!
Respect and tolerance is what is missing here - a belief is one thing, but seeking a special right to force others to hear your beliefs, is a simple lack of respect and tolerance.
 
Old 04-27-2020, 01:17 PM
 
Location: Chicago Area
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There’s supposed to be separation of church and state. In this case, the local council exempted Muslims from noise ordinances so they could blast Muslim doctrine at a high decibel level throughout public streets. Even at 5 a.m.!
And that is a violation of the 1st Amendment. Show any religion preferential treatment is always wrong and it's always unconstitutional.

If you exempt people from noise ordinances, you either do it for all religions all the time or no religions all the time.
 
Old 04-27-2020, 01:18 PM
 
Location: Top of the South, NZ
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What a weird comparison. Of all the ideologies you have to choose from, you pick one that doesn't have much of a coherent supernatural belief system, much less one that dealt with a different fates in the afterlife.

The Nazis, on the other hand, did have very firm views on enforcing who should be allowed to speak in the public square and who shouldn't. Are you familiar with the concept of psychological projection?
The uniting theme is hatred towards those who are different.
 
Old 04-27-2020, 01:19 PM
 
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Respect and tolerance is what is missing here - a belief is one thing, but seeking a special right to force others to hear your beliefs, is a simple lack of respect and tolerance.
Agree. It reminds me of a saying: “your right to swing your fist ends where my nose begins.” IOW, why should non-Muslims be forced to listen to Muslim doctrine, being woken from a sound sleep every day for the next month, in which praise is given via prayer to a man who preached hate and intolerance? Sort of ironic.
 
Old 04-27-2020, 01:19 PM
 
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There’s supposed to be separation of church and state. In this case, the local council exempted Muslims from noise ordinances...
Not the case. They reviewed the application and found it to be allowable within the existing ordinances.

Separation of church and state means that the state doesn't discriminate between faiths. City Hall can't put a Christmas tree on public grounds and deny a menorah, for instance. Or, y'know - can't allow church bells and stop the adhan.

Incidentally, how do you feel about Lutherans being allowed to ring bells to advertise their services - what with Luther's views on Judaism and all? (There was no "People of the Book" exceptions in his writings...)
 
Old 04-27-2020, 01:20 PM
 
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And that is a violation of the 1st Amendment. Show any religion preferential treatment is always wrong and it's always unconstitutional.

If you exempt people from noise ordinances, you either do it for all religions all the time or no religions all the time.
Absolutely. And it should be done for no religion. Noise ordinances are there to protect people from disturbances.
 
Old 04-27-2020, 01:22 PM
 
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Respect and tolerance is what is missing here - a belief is one thing, but seeking a special right to force others to hear your beliefs, is a simple lack of respect and tolerance.
Now you’re making things up. This is a result of the coronavirus. People usually go to the mosque but, because of the inability to gather at during their holy month, the request was made.
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