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Old 05-22-2020, 09:19 AM
 
Location: OH->FL->NJ
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I am friends with 2 married to each other gay dudes.
Their primary desire is to be married to each other to live out their lives as 2 married to each other dudes AND NOT BE BOTHERED.
Putting a hetero wedding picture in the background would not rate in their concerns in their top 1000 things they care about.
#1 would be each other
#2 would be their dog
#3 is their birth families
#4 is... I dunno but it isnt whether your selfies have a hetero wedding picture.
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Old 05-22-2020, 09:27 AM
 
Location: Philaburbia
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It's just research, people. Untwist the knickers.

Actually, it's not even true research. It's the opinion of two college professors based on observation and past experience. They did no actual research on the topic.

Just as it's the opinion of the author of the article linked in the OP that the topic of unconscious bias in Zoom meetings is a "trivial, unfounded issue".

But ... if we want to discuss the actual opinions of the two college professors:

Some of their points are valid; some are not. Icebreakers such as this

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“In a recent videoconference, we were asked the ‘most fun thing you’ve done with your family during quarantine.’ Participant answers ranged from ‘gardening with my husband’ to ‘dance parties with my family,’” Viveiros said.
exclude people who are not with their families during the pandemic. The most fun thing I've done with my family during quarantine? Talk on the phone. Woo-hoo. While it's not the end of the world that people without families are excluded from the conversation, a different question that included everyone would have been a better choice.

The professors are giving some good advice. It's a shame the author of the linked article had to stoop to hyperbole and eighth-grade insults instead of actually trying to understand what was being said. Here's a link to the article from the MSU news:

https://msutoday.msu.edu/news/2020/t...-can-avoid-it/

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Old 05-22-2020, 09:29 AM
 
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It's just research, people. Untwist the knickers.
"Research" is used and quoted every day to attempt to change minds and policy. It often succeeds with help from advocates screaming at the top of their lungs.
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Old 05-22-2020, 09:31 AM
 
Location: Morrison, CO
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It's just research, people. Untwist the knickers.
What if a conservative had said he/she was bothered by a picture in the background of two Gay dudes kissing at their wedding day? Still no bid deal?

Untwist the knickers? How about a mixed race couple? Still no biggie?
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Old 05-22-2020, 09:36 AM
 
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It's just research, people. Untwist the knickers.
Actually it's not 'research', it's just their stated opinions.

And while a certain amount of ridicule is to be expected, the 'knicker twisting' isn't completely unwarranted given that the environments that they are expressing these opinions in are known for taking such opinions and extending them into policy.
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Old 05-22-2020, 09:39 AM
 
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What a waste of money.
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Old 05-22-2020, 09:39 AM
 
Location: Rochester, WA
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It's just research, people. Untwist the knickers.

So dismissive of "science".

SO... Sometimes science is really messed up!

A person's own pictures of their own life behind them are snapshots of that person's own life and story they want to share, the things that are important to them. We can look at what people have behind them to tell a bit about who they are. What's messed up about this "study" is the perspective that what someone has in their house is somehow indicative of telegraphing what everyone else should do. I have photos behind me right now of my first solo flight in an airplane, and a bunch of pictures of our pets, past and present. Down the hall there is a picture from my wedding. Is that insensitive to people who are afraid to fly or have allergies to pet dander? Or does it just show a bit about who I am and things I've done?

We need to look at people as individuals, and it's OK for individuals to share their own stories. It doesn't invalidate anyone else's story.

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Old 05-22-2020, 09:45 AM
 
Location: Philaburbia
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So dismissive of "science".
As I stated above, this is the opinion of two college professors; nevermind that social science is a whole 'nother animal.
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Old 05-22-2020, 09:47 AM
 
Location: Rochester, WA
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As I stated above, this is the opinion of two college professors; nevermind that social science is a whole 'nother animal.

It's very good to remember how flawed any process that involves human beings can be.
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Old 05-22-2020, 09:50 AM
Status: "Let this year be over..." (set 24 days ago)
 
Location: Where my bills arrive
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So dismissive of "science".

SO... Sometimes science is really messed up!

A person's own pictures of their own life behind them are snapshots of that person's own life and story they want to share, the things that are important to them. We can look at what people have behind them to tell a bit about who they are. What's messed up about this "study" is the perspective that what someone has in their house is somehow indicative of telegraphing what everyone else should do. I have photos behind me right now of my first solo flight in an airplane, and a bunch of pictures of our pets, past and present. Is that insensitive to people who are afraid to fly or have allergies to pet dander? Or does it just show a bit about who I am and things I've done?

We need to look at people as individuals, and it's OK for individuals to share their own stories. It doesn't invalidate anyone else's story.
I am not disagreeing with you in any way and your pictures represent who you are. I just remembered that if you were choosing to sell your home odds are that the realtor would recommend those same pictures be removed and the homes aesthetic be neutral because buyers may be affected, and people do it and its for similar reasons to this campus article.
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